FleaStiff
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July 2nd, 2010 at 7:48:56 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

How does one find/create a 7% advantage over the house without some kind of house mistake anyway?

I think that famed mis-print on the Sic Bo layout gave advantage players a substantial edge, but the casino noticed all the out-of-towners flocking to that table and winning.
ruascott
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July 2nd, 2010 at 7:55:19 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I don't think anyone here would report a card counter to security but I dare say that most of the people on this site would indeed report their suspicions about a card marker. Nowadays women with make-up filled compacts are not as commonly encountered as they used to be but the casinos are still alert to daubers or players wearing tinted contact lenses.

If casinos make miscalculations about the odds or miscalculations about the public's response to a promotion, advantage players may descend on the casino in full force, but things like card marking or jimmying a slot machine are simply outright crimes and are not part of gambling at all.



I'm not a counter, but I appreciate the skill and dedication of those that do. I'd also assume that the eye in the sky would be a lot quicker to notice a card marker than I would. I gamble for entertainment, not to advantage-play, and when I'm at a casino I'm focusing on having fun, not paying attention to what the heck anyone else is doing.
scotty81
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July 2nd, 2010 at 9:25:19 AM permalink
Two points:

1) To think you have come up with a way to mark cards that hasn't been thought of before is, well, pretty arrogant.

2) To actually mark cards in a casino is just plain stupid.

If you want to really pursue advantage play, don't mark the cards but rather learn the art of card steering. If you get good at it the "real" AP's will find you.
Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. - Niels Bohr
f2d
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July 2nd, 2010 at 2:22:41 PM permalink
Quote: scotty81

Two points:

1) To think you have come up with a way to mark cards that hasn't been thought of before is, well, pretty arrogant.

2) To actually mark cards in a casino is just plain stupid.

If you want to really pursue advantage play, don't mark the cards but rather learn the art of card steering. If you get good at it the "real" AP's will find you.



It wouldn't be a new way of marking cards. It's the card marking added onto an existing advantage play that makes it so much more powerful, and it's at a game where I routinely get cards that are marked or bent up since players are allowed to handle the cards and the house allows people to mishandle the cards without saying anything. (You need to see the way people bend the hell out of these cards to understand, I personally can't believe it's allowed).

I wouldn't even think about doing this if they cared at all about how players handle the cards. I already talked to some people and I made it very clear they're not to have any devices on them (hidden razor blade/pinhead, any kind of liquid to daub with). Any marks would be made while handling the cards in the way the ploppies at the table do. If the house allows you to bend the cards, then there's no reason you shouldn't take advantage of that.

Oh, and I'm not looking for someone ON THIS BOARD to team up with.. Im just wondering how those of you who are part of a team or partnership ended up meeting the players you are now with.
Asswhoopermcdaddy
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July 2nd, 2010 at 5:16:08 PM permalink
Quote: f2d


Oh, and I'm not looking for someone ON THIS BOARD to team up with.. Im just wondering how those of you who are part of a team or partnership ended up meeting the players you are now with.



Perhaps in prison??? LOL
am19psu
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July 2nd, 2010 at 5:27:47 PM permalink
What do you mean by house mistake? Sloppy dealers can give you an advantage much larger than 7%.
joenunz
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July 2nd, 2010 at 5:56:57 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

f2d -

In the spirit of considering to offer forgiveness, I'm interested in hearing how you feel about the responses.




Take the deal f2d!
Insurance is closed.
BigTip
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July 2nd, 2010 at 7:03:04 PM permalink
I am not getting along with my wife. I am thinking about finding somebody to off her. Is this the proper forum for finding somebody to do it?

Come on! Really? I don't know if this guy is kidding or not, but he should be banned right now, to protect us that participate at this site. We should not be participating in a site that is used to recruit partners in crime. And if he is kidding, he should be banned because his shtick is not funny.
DeMango
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July 3rd, 2010 at 12:59:19 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

How does one find/create a 7% advantage over the house without some kind of house mistake anyway?



Finding the house mistake would not be cheating. And it may take a partner to exploit that situation. But you are not going to find that situation or that partner here.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
RonC
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July 3rd, 2010 at 5:09:46 AM permalink
Quote: f2d

It wouldn't be a new way of marking cards. It's the card marking added onto an existing advantage play that makes it so much more powerful, and it's at a game where I routinely get cards that are marked or bent up since players are allowed to handle the cards and the house allows people to mishandle the cards without saying anything. (You need to see the way people bend the hell out of these cards to understand, I personally can't believe it's allowed).



If the existing "advantage play" is done without breaking any rules of the game, I think the worst the casino could do is back the player off, as they do in blackjack. From everything I see, blackjack card counters only really get in "trouble" with the law if they TRESPASS (break a law) after being banned (the casino has the right to do that).

Marking cards is cheating and moves this from "advantage play" to a criminal action.

Please take your quest for a partner elsewhere. We don't need cheaters here and, even though you say you aren't looking for one here, it would be bad for this forum if we attracted an element that cheated to it. It isn't my forum; I cannot make you leave...I just hope you will take your desire to commit a crime elsewhere...

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