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March 4th, 2015 at 3:10:54 PM permalink
The lack of local rooting interests would be a problem. Look at Miami, there are a lot of transplants there and they struggle to fill stadiums.
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March 4th, 2015 at 4:42:58 PM permalink
The NFL for one would never allow it, hypocrites that they are. I see a problem with how deep support will go. Vegas is a transplant and transient city. Any team that settles there is going to be the "Washington Generals" to the other team who will be the reason for most of the attendance. The Arizona Cardinals were this way until the late-2000s. Steelers come to town and the Vegas team will sell well, Jaguars do and the games will be blacked out.

Las Vegas Gamblers does sound like a good name, though!
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March 4th, 2015 at 4:59:01 PM permalink
really shows the stupidity of the nhl going to vegas and seattle before Quebec city.
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March 4th, 2015 at 6:19:35 PM permalink
I don't see how a sports franchise succeeds in Vegas.

First as someone pointed out earlier, there is a finite population to the Vegas metropolitan area, that can compare to other cities, but what Vegas is lacking is the surrounding areas. I came from Philadelphia and the majority of the support for the Philadelphia sports teams came from outside the city. The 5 very populous suburban counties on the Pennsylvania side as well as south Jersey across the river. Even the extended Pa suburbs beyond the immediate 5 suburban counties, places like Lancaster, Harrisburg, Reading, Scranton, Allentown, all an hour to 90 minutes away. Vegas dosen't have that. You get an hour outside of Vegas and you have some ranches and isolated small towns. Those people aren't coming to Vegas for a hockey game. Lol.

On top of that, the population that Vegas does have is the poorest, most transient population, I have ever seen. Large homeless numbers as we all know, but far worse than that is the people and families living day to day....literally, in the many weekly type 'hotels'. Every place has it's homeless and poor, but vegas is outrageous. There are more people a paycheck or government check away from homelessness than I have ever seen anywhere else. Now yes, there some middle class and upper class neighborhoods in the western and southern suburban parts of the city, but without knowing the numbers, I would guess far below the percentages of other cities and areas and far below what is necessary to support a professional sports franchise.

Next there is competition for the entertainment dollar. Every place has this, movies, restaurants, shows, ect, but Vegas has a little more completion for those that have disposable income.

And finally, IMO, hockey is the least likely sport to succeed. This is going to sound politically incorrect, but Vegas has a large Hispanic/Latino population. The official number is like 30-some percent, but I believe it to be much more than that. Typically, I don't thing Latinos are big hockey fans, so you are selling something that doesn't appeal to a large percent of the population. In my opinion, soccer should have been the first step. See how that goes before thinking about any of the major 4 sports.
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March 4th, 2015 at 6:28:46 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I don't see how a sports franchise succeeds in Vegas.

Your post has nearly changed my mind. The Vagabonds has a nice ring to it.

But not before QC gets a team.
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March 4th, 2015 at 7:14:55 PM permalink
There are plenty of sports towns in America that are in transplant cities. Phoenix you mentioned as one, and when the Steelers, Packers, Bears, Cowboys come to town the home town does feel like it is playing a road game but I do think it takes 20-30 years for people to grow up rooting for the team and then spend money on it. You see the same thing in Atlanta, it Tampa, and other places, but they will and do eventually develop their own identity. Definitely though, while the team takes root, you will be seeing a lot of opposing fan bases in the stands. I would love to go see my Packers play there. It would be a perfect Friday-Monday excursion centered around a game. Personally I think the NBA would be perfect for Vegas. The last thing you want is a stadium of 75,000 with 30,000 rooting for the other team. They have the arenas with the capacity to field the team (although the NBA might want some more luxury boxes). As a sports fan, I think it something that can and should happen
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March 5th, 2015 at 10:46:11 AM permalink
A lot of good arguments that it would fail. I too, would oppose any taxpayer subsidies.

There are some reasons it might do well. One, it would be and would likely remain our only team. I think the transplants like it here more and are prouder to live here than in a place like Phoenix. Also, legalized sports betting seems to create a more acute interest in sports in general. I'm surprised how many people follow UNLV and even Bishop Gorman. It could become a pretty dedicated fan base, similar to that of the Portland Trailblazers.

In addition to the vacation packages, I figure hotels will buy up a decent amount of tickets to give to high rollers, business people and so forth.
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March 5th, 2015 at 11:16:11 AM permalink
I'm very tempted to put down a deposit for season tickets to the potential Vegas NHL team. My plan would be to sell most of them but it would be fun to attend some of the games. I think the local fan base would be awful. I rarely meet anybody over the age of 30 who was born here. Vegas has got to be the most transient city in America. However, I could see the team being financially successful through selling tickets to Canadians looking for an excuse to come down here.

BTW, I attended a home game of the Ariz Cardinals vs. Minnesota Vikings. I'd say that 60% of the crowd was rooting for the Vikings. The disparity would be even more here.
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March 5th, 2015 at 11:26:22 AM permalink
Hockey won't work. It doesn't work in Phoenix. The Coyotes have never turned a profit in 20 years now. They'll be gone within the next 3 years
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March 5th, 2015 at 11:42:29 AM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat

Hockey won't work. It doesn't work in Phoenix. The Coyotes have never turned a profit in 20 years now. They'll be gone within the next 3 years

HUGE difference in VEGAS s Phoenix.... both have golf to attract a small group that might take in a hockey game against their favorite team.
While VEGAS provides the full long weekend entertainment package....and for lots the hotel may be a free one....hell the casino might even purchase a block of seats to be given away by hosts to bring in the gamblers for the weekend

Football in Detroit can bring in an amazing amount of people for the visiting team....Caesars Windsor on the weekends Green Bay is in to play is flooded with cheeseheads

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