Boz
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February 25th, 2015 at 1:00:20 PM permalink
These places are the shame of Florida as most of the customers are elderly and being ripped off. The state has sued them and closed many of them, but they keep popping up. I never understood why the Indians didn't push the state to enact larger fines and push them out all together.

I'm sure Babs can add more about this topic.
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February 25th, 2015 at 1:35:11 PM permalink
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He shouldn't have given away his winning system! I'm going to fly there just to steal his $60 every day!

I haven't read or seen anything about this and obviously I'm skeptical however lets not laugh at him just yet. Lets assume he has something +EV here. He may not have the ability or knowledge to completely exploit the situation. If there's any truth to this I can see some great potential.

In the 90's there were guys who knew just enough to make a safe (almost guaranteed) $50 a day on the same games that were actually worth $200 to $300 a day per person, if you knew exactly what you were doing.

My interest has peaked for sure, who knows if he has figured out just a very small % of something significant.

PS in the 90's I played a bit in FL and guys were making big money in FL on some progressive electronic lotto type games. It had huge variance and took a huge bankroll and the scene was dangerous. Drug dealers were washing and laundering money and they didn't like competition.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
aceofspades
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February 25th, 2015 at 1:38:15 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I haven't read or seen anything about this and obviously I'm skeptical however lets not laugh at him just yet. Lets assume he has something +EV here. He may not have the ability or knowledge to completely exploit the situation. If there's any truth to this I can see some great potential.

In the 90's there were guys who knew just enough to make a safe (almost guaranteed) $50 a day on the same games that were actually worth $200 to $300 a day per person, if you knew exactly what you were doing.

My interest has peaked for sure, who knows if he has figured out just a very small % of something significant.




But does he have to sit there for 24 hours to make the $60
He could collect soda cans or scrap metal and probably make more in less time

Of course, maybe he found a GILF there
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February 25th, 2015 at 1:58:02 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

But does he have to sit there for 24 hours to make the $60
He could collect soda cans or scrap metal and probably make more in less time

Of course, maybe he found a GILF there

I have no clue what HE is doing. As I said maybe he has not figured out exactly how to fully exploit the situation. People pointed out he seems like an idiot but he may have stumbled on to something.

Take your collecting cans scenario. A homeless guy might only be making a few bucks a day. However I remember reading something about a few guys making a killing collecting cans and doing something on a bigger scale (not sure if it was legal).

Look at the Sands Casino in Bethlehem stories. The Value per card/person was minimal however a few guys turned it into something worth doing. 17k in a month, no risk isn't to bad.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
aceofspades
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February 25th, 2015 at 2:10:07 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Take your collecting cans scenario. A homeless guy might only be making a few bucks a day. However I remember reading something about a few guys making a killing collecting cans and doing something on a bigger scale (not sure if it was legal).






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February 25th, 2015 at 2:56:13 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

These places are the shame of Florida as most of the customers are elderly and being ripped off. The state has sued them and closed many of them, but they keep popping up. I never understood why the Indians didn't push the state to enact larger fines and push them out all together.

I'm sure Babs can add more about this topic.



My mom got hooked on these for a couple years so I'd go with her; they ranged from nasty to pretty nicely appointed. Usually located in strip malls or abandoned restaurants. Wall-to-wall slots of the 8-line cherry type, a few that were 5 reel 3 symbol types, none of them you would find in a Vegas casino, none distributed by mainstream slots companies. Most denoms were 5 cents/line.

In the incarnation 5 years ago (shut down by the state): You bought a player's card for the amount of money you wanted to spend; minimum was about $10 most places. If you won something and pressed collect, tickets (like skee ball tickets, on a long roll) would feed out of the machine in some denomination; the place we played most often, they were worth .25 each. If your card ran out of money, you could pay cash at the counter and they'd reload the card for the amount you paid; sometimes they would offer a bonus amount for load-ups (like buy $25 on the card and they'd credit you $30). Once you were done, you took your tickets up to the counter; most of them had ticket counters where they would feed in the ticket strings and it would take totals. They had gift cards from local stores like Publix (grocery - which is what I always took), Macy's, Home Depot, etc in different denoms they would give you 1:1 for your tickets; the remainder if any would be credited to your account for the next time. They would never give you cash as that would get them shut down.

They also gave premium credits for multiple visits, tracked with a punch-card or in their files, like if you played 10 days in a row you'd get a card with some amount on it. Most had self-serve sodas, coffee, and some snacks like pre-packaged cookies or a popcorn machine that were complimentary. The carpets were always sticky for some reason.

An alternate they used that also got shut down was as "internet cafes". I'm not exactly sure how that scam ran, but it was something about purchasing "minutes" and sitting down to an assigned terminal shaped just like a slot machine (coincidence!), and the "website" you were buying minutes on just happened to be a slot site specific to that game. I think they also paid in gift cards, but I only looked at a couple cafes; didn't spend money there, so I'm not sure how you'd claim any winnings.
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aceofspades
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February 25th, 2015 at 4:01:34 PM permalink
So no matter what, the best you could walk out with, for Handing over your cash, was a gift card to a limited number of stores, or future credits for continued play.
What's the draw?
cclub79
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February 25th, 2015 at 4:07:22 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

So no matter what, the best you could walk out with, for Hanson over your cash, was a gift card to a limited number of stores, or future credits for continued play.
What's the draw?



I guess Publix is as good as cash, it's a nice Supermarket that has pretty good BOGO Free deals every week (+EV?). Plus nowadays they have those websites you can sell your giftcards for ~90c on the dollar.
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February 25th, 2015 at 5:16:51 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

So no matter what, the best you could walk out with, for Hanson over your cash, was a gift card to a limited number of stores, or future credits for continued play.
What's the draw?



Yep. It wasn't a draw for me. It was my mom wanting to go and the places being creepy enough she didn't want to go alone. She liked to play their games. It didn't feel like a lot of money to her; she's happiest at a nickel game. A real nickel, not a gambler's nickel. When she's feeling rich, she'll play for a quarter.

Publix was a great choice for us both because we're shopping there 2x-3x a week anyway, so it didn't matter if it was cash or a gift card. And the best of them did promotions like the $5 for every $25 bought or spin a credit wheel with every buy-in; you could win as much as $100 on a $10 dollar buy-in, and the least was $1, on a wheel with 20 spots.

They were ok. But I don't miss them. She does.

If we had better gaming here in Florida, she probably wouldn't miss them at all.
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February 25th, 2015 at 5:39:30 PM permalink
I don't know anything about timing Jackpots, (not saying it's not plausible, anything is plausible with these sorts of devices) but I do know Ohio had similar machines (before casino gambling was legalized) that the State eventually came in and broke up. We had three of them here at the hotel, in fact.

Anyway, these machines were, "Games of Skill," or so labeled, and they presented an incredibly simple and unique vulturing opportunity. The machines had three different game denominations and all three denominations had a different game that was the, "Next Game." The part that allegedly (I mean, they were straight up illegal) made it a, "Game of Skill," was that you could hit the 'Next Game,' button and see if the Next Game was a winner or not.

That's basically how it worked, so effectively, when you made a bet, you weren't really betting on the Next Game, (known result, or could be) but rather the game after that. That's the skill, don't bet if the next game is a losing game. Anyway, most people didn't figure that out and would quit playing when they had insufficient credits, so then I would hop on that machine and check all the next games.

It wasn't worth a ton, even with how often I was here at the time, but I averaged a 100% risk-free $100/week on them before they took them out. The vendor didn't even care if we vultured them because we were paid a percentage of wins for housing the machines and were reimbursed losses. They would balance the cash drawer we kept in the safe for that and then we got some percentage of the overage.

I guess some of these types of machines are legal, or tolerated, if you're only winning merchandise credits...because I still (but rarely) see them at truck stops and gas stations, but I've not seen one with the, "Next Game," feature since.
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