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Mission146
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December 5th, 2014 at 5:28:29 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

They have to be so many feet away from each other which becomes pretty significant in placement.



It's 150 feet, there are exceptions, and the ones that were already closer than that were Grandfathered.

As far as the tax, I think the code says, "Gross Receipts," which would be coin in, I'd have to look it up on the computer later...I'm on my phone right now.
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FleaStiff
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December 5th, 2014 at 3:21:47 PM permalink
Irrespective of how the concept fares in other states and irrespective of any taxation issues in those other states, I think it was very unfair for the "establishment" casinos, clearly lead by Stations, to squash the competition based on such flimsy issues as separate machines in clusters versus bar-top machines in a row. The only real objections the casinos ever had was that Dotty was getting the money and they were not. There were no other issues, just smoke, mirrors, lawyers and publicity hacks.
FleaStiff
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November 22nd, 2015 at 11:39:44 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

The only real objections the casinos ever had was that Dotty was getting the money and they were not. There were no other issues, just smoke, mirrors, lawyers and publicity hacks.

Oh no. I've just learned Dotty gave an electronic acquaintance of mine a hundred dollars on her birthday. Not even the Venetian ever did that for me.
AxelWolf
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November 23rd, 2015 at 1:52:43 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Oh no. I've just learned Dotty gave an electronic acquaintance of mine a hundred dollars on her birthday. Not even the Venetian ever did that for me.

They are bad for for everyone all around.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Boz
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November 23rd, 2015 at 4:22:19 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

They are bad for for everyone all around.



Care to expand?

I was only in one in Sparks a few years back and was shocked something like this existed. The smoke was so thick and the decorations were from the 70's. Didn't play at all and if they are all like this, I guess I know your answer. But someone must like them.
Pokeraddict
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November 23rd, 2015 at 4:59:05 AM permalink
They are degen slot paradises. VP players on Game Kings must bet 100 credits on 9/5 JOB to get a full pay royal the last time I surveyed one. You can go to a bar at Station and get 8/5 BP with a progressive on five quarters.

It is convenience gambling at its finest, but marginally better than playing slots at the gas station or grocery store.
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November 23rd, 2015 at 6:02:59 AM permalink
Every Dotty's I have been to had NSUD (99.73%).

Regarding the legal issue, as much as I like Dotty's, I believe in playing fair. If they don't make 50% of their revenue from non-gambling business, then they should be treated as a slot parlor. They do sell a lot of cheap cigarettes but I doubt that accounts for a big slice of their revenue.
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zoobrew
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November 23rd, 2015 at 6:50:32 AM permalink
What is considered revenue for slots at these type of places? Is it just coin-in ? Or is it net hold? If it is net hold, I could see them under the 50% if they then count the sale of other products as revenue without considering the cost of the product. It wouldn't really be an apple to apple comparison since you are comparing profit with revenue, but how was the law written.
DRich
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November 23rd, 2015 at 9:24:56 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Every Dotty's I have been to had NSUD (99.73%).

Regarding the legal issue, as much as I like Dotty's, I believe in playing fair. If they don't make 50% of their revenue from non-gambling business, then they should be treated as a slot parlor. They do sell a lot of cheap cigarettes but I doubt that accounts for a big slice of their revenue.



I have always thought Dotty's offered good gaming.

If restricted locations like bars and Dotty's were required to have over 50% non-gaming revenue, 90% of the bars in Las Vegas would be affected. If you follow the local politics of it those against Dotty's will not put a percentage of revenue requirement on it. They always use ambiguous terms so they can single out Dotty's without affecting the majority of locations. Politically they should just say that any new restricted locations require 50% or more non-gaming revenue.
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November 23rd, 2015 at 10:53:28 AM permalink
My personal opinion is that everybody should just pay x% of their net gaming revenue in taxes. No quotas -- just a simple percentage.
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