AxelWolf
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June 22nd, 2016 at 2:59:49 AM permalink
That's why Ahigh's pinball and skill system was so good. You couldn't beat the house but you could gain an advantage based on the pool. Also you could choose your bet, pay's and variance. ZERO SKILL NEEDED To maintain minimum pay back. Sure it needed some tweaking and a solid company, but it was amazing all around.
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DRich
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June 22nd, 2016 at 7:17:49 AM permalink
Quote: DiscreteMaths2

How is that a challenge ? If the skilled based game is fixed time limit and the casino thinks its marginal cost is a traditional slot wagering every 5 secs then a 60 second game would just need to be 12 cents for penny, 60 cents for nickel, $1.20 for dimes, and $3 for quarters. Not that crazy of a notion.



The average penny player plays $1.50 per spin so by that logic the same player would pay $18 a game. That would make trying new games very expensive especially skill games because it is assumed you will not be playing with a lot of skill in the beginning so you will be losing more than average.
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delucia
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June 22nd, 2016 at 7:33:13 AM permalink
Of course you can have skill based games but if you are using a certain pattern that means you are constantly winning, then the bank is going to try and stop it.

Counting cards or using progressive winning to your advantage will eventually catch the attention of the casino.

I don't think casinos will ever take away skill games like blackjack. They are not based purely on skill after all.

I don't know how online casinos are tackling this issue, whether they are banning players or not
RogerKint
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June 22nd, 2016 at 8:12:00 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Casinos will accept them, but skill based doesn't mean a beatable house edge.

I think there is going to be a push in the industry in the next 5-10 years to implement new concepts in machine gaming. They're putting all the ridiculous Shaq Jack stations in right now.



The only installs I could find are Parx and in AC. Are there others? I saw a baccarat station similar to it which, in some ways, is even better.
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DiscreteMaths2
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June 22nd, 2016 at 9:30:08 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

The average penny player plays $1.50 per spin so by that logic the same player would pay $18 a game. That would make trying new games very expensive especially skill games because it is assumed you will not be playing with a lot of skill in the beginning so you will be losing more than average.



At least at the places I frequent, machines are never full. There aren't enough average players to fill up all the machines. A dormant machine isn't earning anyone money. I find it hard to believe that most casinos would be losing money putting a few of these new machines in. But yeah, its hard to beat a format where people are willing to put in large sums of money and have the game be over in an instant.

edit: actually rereading my original post I made it sound like I was saying you could unconditionally replace any given traditional slot machine with a skilled one for the same results, thats not the case.
Last edited by: DiscreteMaths2 on Jun 22, 2016
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