Nareed
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:41:06 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

No, you didn't. You hit Four Deuces and a 5OaK at the same time, but the Deuces paid better, so it gave you that one!

I jest.



Not well :)

back when I played poker with friends, I instituted the rule that hands ahd to be called when shown. That is, when you showed your hand you ahd to say what it was. This was because we often played with wildcards. So if someone showing four wildcards and an ace claimed five of a kind rather than royal flush, on their head be it.

VP machiens do the same, only it's the machine that calls the hand. So four deuces is four deuces, not five of a kind.


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In any event, you could create such a paytable, and I don't know that it would be too complicated, just that your base hit rate would have to suck as a result. 3OaK (the lowest paying result) would probably have to go entirely.



When I play Loose Deuces and hit a natural four of a kind, I keep thinking "this should pay more." But you ahve a point. How about paying extra for natural four of a kind, then and a natural straight flush? Of course there can be no natural 5oaK.
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May 15th, 2014 at 11:34:28 AM permalink
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When I play Loose Deuces and hit a natural four of a kind, I keep thinking "this should pay more." But you ahve a point. How about paying extra for natural four of a kind, then and a natural straight flush? Of course there can be no natural 5oaK.



It would change the entire strategy, and you'd still probably have to drop 3OaK, either that, or perhaps reduce Straights to EM and Flushes to 2 FOR 1, but I don't even know that would be enough. What kind of natural pays are you thinking?
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May 15th, 2014 at 12:03:45 PM permalink
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It would change the entire strategy, and you'd still probably have to drop 3OaK, either that, or perhaps reduce Straights to EM and Flushes to 2 FOR 1, but I don't even know that would be enough. What kind of natural pays are you thinking?



I'm not sure. I'd have to know the math involved to give a sensible answer, and I don't. I know the odds of getting a natural 4 of a kind when keeping a natural 3 of a kind are 1 in 47, but everyone knows that (or should: 47 cards remaining, one would complete the 4oaK).
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May 15th, 2014 at 1:01:48 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I know the odds of getting a natural 4 of a kind when keeping a natural 3 of a kind are 1 in 47, but everyone knows that (or should: 47 cards remaining, one would complete the 4oaK).

2 cards drawn, not 1.
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May 15th, 2014 at 1:05:08 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

2 cards drawn, not 1.



See? I even get that wrong :)
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May 15th, 2014 at 4:25:45 PM permalink
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it won't do the player any good in NJ either if he doesnt know to put a multiple of 6; at least I *think* this is a bet you place yourself



Big 6 / 8 don't exist in AC, as they are not listed as legal bets according to the gaming commission. No house will even book a place 6 / 8 bet unless it is for a multiple of $6.
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May 21st, 2014 at 3:29:44 PM permalink
Aruze has a really big hit with bubble craps (which I think are called "Shoot To Win Craps," but I digress). Naturally they're traying to follow it up. Last year I saw their Big 6 game. This year I saw BJ and Baccarat, both at the Venetian (they may be elsewhere, too).

Speaking of which, when I passed a Rapi Roulette I realized I hadn't seen any lately, though they were quite common a few years back. Possibly this just means I visit fewer Strip casinos.

Related, I failed to find the Rapid Craps table at the Quad (it was there last year). I guess it's gone, gone, gone. It was a good idea, and it's really too bad it didn't work. My verdict is that ti suffered from two flaws: 1) a somewhat hard-to-use interface and 2) too long to input the dice result.

Bubble craps has hit, IMO, because of the better interface (much bigger, for one thing) and the dice results are read automatically and very, very quickly. So while it feels slower than real craps, it's not as slow as Rapid Craps was. And as it lets players "shoot" the dice, there's that minimal level of interactivity still there.
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May 24th, 2014 at 7:49:06 PM permalink
I like the Shoot to Win game. But it can be improved.

First and foremost are the odds. Most of the machines I have played are only double odds. That is dumb. They should want to make these machines more popular because there is no labor involved. No overhead. Always open, etc etc. So they should make them a better gamble than a real table. Give us 5X at least.

The other thing that I wish it had was an "I'm ready" button. Make your bet, then push the "I'm ready" button and the roll starts. It is an excruciatingly slow game, especially when playing alone. Of course with a full table it would not be much quicker, but it could be. If everyone got into the rhythm and quickly pushed their buttons it could go much quicker.

I know that some will think I am crazy, but I think the dice can be influenced.
When the dice are rumbling around ready to "pop" I will try to time hitting the shoot button when the combo of the dice I want is showing. Lots of time those dice will pop straight up and come straight down the same way they went up. Not every time. And the combo I want doesn't always appear in the "shaking" phase. But when I do manage to pop it they do go up and down an inordinate amount of time.

If it only works a small percentage of time, it still helps. AND it makes the game much more interactive.

If it had that "ready" button and had better odds, I would play it a lot more.
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May 24th, 2014 at 7:54:27 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Aruze has a really big hit with bubble craps (which I think are called "Soot To Won Craps," but I digress). Naturally they're traying to follow it up. Last year I saw their Big 6 game. This year I saw BJ and Baccarat, both at the Venetian (they may be elsewhere, too).
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They do have a good blackjack game. I've played the one at Monte Carlo a lot. Besides the high limit room games, I think it has the best rules in the house. Which is how it should be to get people to play it over a live game. It is, of course, much cheaper for the casino to have people losing money at a machine than to paid employees.
And by the way, I think one of the dealers on the machine, has a little thing for me. I swear she winks at me all the time. Every trip. ;)
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May 24th, 2014 at 8:13:26 PM permalink
Quote: BigTip

First and foremost are the odds. Most of the machines I have played are only double odds. That is dumb. They should want to make these machines more popular because there is no labor involved. No overhead. Always open, etc etc. So they should make them a better gamble than a real table. Give us 5X at least.



Odds are set by the casino. I don't recall where this was, but there used to be a place that allowed up to 5x.

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The other thing that I wish it had was an "I'm ready" button. Make your bet, then push the "I'm ready" button and the roll starts. It is an excruciatingly slow game, especially when playing alone. Of course with a full table it would not be much quicker, but it could be. If everyone got into the rhythm and quickly pushed their buttons it could go much quicker.



Could've sworn I've seen this before on some units too-- but I might be thinking of half-digital roulette units. (I remember thinking that some units had them and some didn't, so it might also be something the casino can toggle on and off.)

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