the quick fix is take everything out of the freezer and chip out all the ice before it melts in the defrost cycle.
takes 15min to do and i have to do it every 2weeks.
a cheap 10 cu ft fridge is $500 on sale at Lowes/Sears/Home Depot.
a nice stainless steel one is like $1000.
so why wont i buy it?
yet i have no problem losing $1000 at the casino? (i've lost my bankroll twice this month, but also doubled up twice so i'm break even.)
half the size and love it. Most fridges are full
of junk we'll never eat, condiments we'll throw
away one day. A smaller one is more efficient,
keeps things colder and is cheaper to run. It
also makes you police it for junk you know
you'll never use.
Quote: sodawaterThe biggest reason is that before you gamble it in the casino, you're not GUARANTEED to lose it.
Thats it. My wife, who would never spend $400 a
new TV, thinks nothing of putting it the slots. Its
because there's a remote chance she'll win.
Quote: sodawaterThe biggest reason is that before you gamble it in the casino, you're not GUARANTEED to lose it.
However when you buy a fridge for $1000, you are guaranteed to have 1000 fewer dollars afterwards.
So in many ways, if you are cash-strapped, it's a big indulgence to make a purchase that costs $1000, but not as much an indulgence to gamble $1000 -- because you might win or at least not lose.
If you put $1000 on the pass line in craps, your expected loss is 14 bucks. Your expected loss when buying a fridge is $1000 although you do get to keep the fridge.
wow on expected loss of gambling vs guarenteed loss when buying. never thought of it in those terms.
here's the kicker: i'm not cash strapped. i have no debt except mortgage (and this Jan is my last mortgage payment!)
Quote: 100xOdds
here's the kicker: i'm not cash strapped. i have no debt except mortgage
Gambling is based on greed. What you're describing is
classic greed; you squeeze nickles till they scream when
it comes to your personal budget, but if there's a chance
to make an 'investment' at a gaming table and increase
your holdings, thats a different story.
But I'll plop down four crisp hundred dollar bills on a Texas Hold'em Bonus table and not think twice.
Quote: s2dbakerinstallation fee from Sears was $300 to hook up the oven to the gas.
Rip off. We installed a new furnace last year
and did it all ourselves, which is illegal here,
of course. Hooking up the gas is easy, the
whole thing is easy.
Quote: EvenBobRip off. We installed a new furnace last year
and did it all ourselves, which is illegal here,
of course. Hooking up the gas is easy, the
whole thing is easy.
I think that's illegal everywhere, but it's certainly both fast and easy (and, I guess, a little dangerous). That's maybe 15 minutes worth of work if you know what you're doing. $300 * 1/4 hour= $1200/hour. Goddamn! There's a job that could support my gambling habit!
Quote: rdw4potusI think that's illegal everywhere, but it's certainly both fast and easy (and, I guess, a little dangerous).
Dangerous if you're an idiot. I've always installed
everything all my life. The great thing since the
last time I installed a furnace is that now there's
flexible heating and cooling duct. Brought tears
to my eyes.
Quote: rdw4potusI think that's illegal everywhere, but it's certainly both fast and easy (and, I guess, a little dangerous). That's maybe 15 minutes worth of work if you know what you're doing. $300 * 1/4 hour= $1200/hour. Goddamn! There's a job that could support my gambling habit!
A homeowner can do any gas work to his own home in BC. It takes a permit and must be inspected but is legal. Very few people take advantage of the opportunity.
I am suprised that the law is not the same in the US with generally less government interference in peoples lives and homes.
Quote: kenarmanA homeowner can do any gas work to his own home in BC. It takes a permit and must be inspected but is legal.
Ya, its the same here, which makes it illegal
without the permit and inspection. You can't
even buy a furnace here without a licence.
But you can order one from out of state that
has free shipping. The new one is half the
size of the one I installed in 1988 and has
more BTU's. I love progress.
My third commandment of gambling is: "Thou shalt expect to lose -- The Las Vegas Strip was not built by winners. Even with good rules and strategy the odds are still usually in the casino’s favor. So don’t get mad if you lose. Think of it as the price you pay for entertainment."
If you are a recreational gambler, you should only be betting with what you can afford as entertainment money.
I should start a "Can I afford to gamble" thread, with all due respect and credit to Suzie Orman.
Quote: WizardRegarding the original post, I don't know whether the OP is just too lazy to buy a fridge, or down to his last $1000.
well, he does say he has one more mortgage payment to go, and he's done.
As someone said, he still will have house payments, though. Insurance, maintenance, and taxes. Just not monthly anymore. But I think we can quit worrying about him.
Quote: WizardI should start a "Can I afford to gamble" thread
Sure, consider this the first post and split it off.
I think quite a bit about this, maybe because I don't come from a family tradition of gambling. That means, almost by default, a family tradition of frowning upon gambling. So, this puts me on the spot, I don't want to go down as the idiot who stumbled.
Furthermore, I am pretty focused on my retirement horizon. Big gambling losses just don't fit into the picture! Now I do believe in spending money on recreation, but I also have other such things besides gambling to figure in.
Since I am not "gambling with an edge", I expect to lose money as per your commandment. I noticed for my comfort level of losses in gambling, for target, to be similar to 0.1% of net liquid assets [not counting home equity or things like annuities]. This went from being a coincidence to really being what I go by. At the start of the year, I set that as the budget for losses [not the same as bankroll] and I keep track of it down to the dollar.
Since it is a target, I can go in the red without fretting, but to have losses get near or bust the budget, really does pretty much stop me from further wagering, especially if not on vacation. BTW, I guess I am comfortable with saying the target does not amount to 5 figures.
I get the feeling that most gamblers, even disciplined ones, consider this pretty conservative. I can accept that without judgement, but really do think some kind of loss limit based on something is in order. Problem gamblers of course view 100% of liquid assets as fair game, and will go into debt as well. I just think beginning with sober target, conservative or not, is a step in the right direction towards avoiding such calamity. Obviously, I'd like to hear from others.
Quote: WizardRegarding the original post, I don't know whether the OP is just too lazy to buy a fridge, or down to his last $1000. I can be lazy too. My ice dispenser hasn't worked for at least a year but I'm happy to just grab ice cubes form the holding bin.
My third commandment of gambling is: "Thou shalt expect to lose -- The Las Vegas Strip was not built by winners. Even with good rules and strategy the odds are still usually in the casino’s favor. So don’t get mad if you lose. Think of it as the price you pay for entertainment."
If you are a recreational gambler, you should only be betting with what you can afford as entertainment money.
I should start a "Can I afford to gamble" thread, with all due respect and credit to Suzie Orman.
lol.. not down to my last $1000.
i'm comfortable and can afford to lose $1000.
now laziness...
I don't think I could ever talk myself into spending $1,000 for a refirgerator tho; that would be like foregoing an entire casino trip for me, and I'd much rather have the time away from home than sit and look at a kitchen appliance. :)
However, once I'm on a gambling trip, I don't like spending any CASH on non-gambling things. Meals and shows come out of comp dollars and the remainder goes on a credit card to get more miles, then get paid off when I get home. Once the cash hits my grubby little paw it's headed for the slots or tables (except for the small bills kept aside for tips.)
^Firefox's spell check forced me to capitalize Jedi.
As to the Wizard's comment... "Can You Afford to Gamble" would be an amazing thread but I think it would require too much personal information.
I think the bigger picture is CHOICE.
Not everyone is addicted to gambling and those who are not choose to do it.
We SHOULD budget for gambling and expect to loss. Happy if we breakeven, thrilled if we win, but still should expect to loss.
When it comes to a refrig breaking even if we can afford to buy a new one we have lost the choice and try to prolong the purchase as long as possible.
Quote: kenarman
I am suprised that the law is not the same in the US with generally less government interference in peoples lives and homes.
Uhmmmm...when is the last time you've been to the US!
I liken it to way back when I used to do drugs. And I'd wake up the next morning with my nose all plugged up, feeling like hell, the house a mess, broke, and I didn't get laid, thinking what an idiot I was and that I'd never do that again (and eventually I didn't). I'm not so compelled over gambling, but it's better for me to make it part of a trip, rather than going to the local casino. The local casino feels more like the drugs did.
Quote: MoscaMan, I've been there. Not on necessary things, but on fun things. Just the other night, we went up to the casino ([1]against my better judgement, and [2]see, I only write full reports when I win) and I lost $500 in about an hour. And driving home I was thinking, "You asshole, you could have had that new camera lens you wanted, but you had to go to the casino, didn't you?"
I liken it to way back when I used to do drugs. And I'd wake up the next morning with my nose all plugged up, feeling like hell, the house a mess, broke, and I didn't get laid, thinking what an idiot I was and that I'd never do that again (and eventually I didn't). I'm not so compelled over gambling, but it's better for me to make it part of a trip, rather than going to the local casino. The local casino feels more like the drugs did.
The gambling at least wouldn't physically kill you like the drugs can.
My niece's funeral is in a week.
Quote: Mission146Why not continue going to the casino, but buy a new refrigerator if/when you win 1k next?
i'd probably double down instead... +2000 or 0
:)
thus i need to immeidately stop off at the nearest Sears/Lowes/Home Depot after the $1000 win and buy the fridge in cash.
do not go home. do not pass Go.
Quote: FarFromVegasQuote: MoscaMan, I've been there. Not on necessary things, but on fun things. Just the other night, we went up to the casino ([1]against my better judgement, and [2]see, I only write full reports when I win) and I lost $500 in about an hour. And driving home I was thinking, "You asshole, you could have had that new camera lens you wanted, but you had to go to the casino, didn't you?"
I liken it to way back when I used to do drugs. And I'd wake up the next morning with my nose all plugged up, feeling like hell, the house a mess, broke, and I didn't get laid, thinking what an idiot I was and that I'd never do that again (and eventually I didn't). I'm not so compelled over gambling, but it's better for me to make it part of a trip, rather than going to the local casino. The local casino feels more like the drugs did.
The gambling at least wouldn't physically kill you like the drugs can.
My niece's funeral is in a week.
Can i ask her age? Lost a niece a few months ago, age 29. Last time I saw her she was 16, barefoot, and hopping from foot to foot because the pavement was hot. What a sweet kid. Mary Frances was her name.
Made me so damn mad, I got a 3 day suspension for taking it out on a young man on the forum who thought he had problems !
Quote: buzzpaffQuote: FarFromVegasQuote: MoscaMan, I've been there. Not on necessary things, but on fun things. Just the other night, we went up to the casino ([1]against my better judgement, and [2]see, I only write full reports when I win) and I lost $500 in about an hour. And driving home I was thinking, "You asshole, you could have had that new camera lens you wanted, but you had to go to the casino, didn't you?"
I liken it to way back when I used to do drugs. And I'd wake up the next morning with my nose all plugged up, feeling like hell, the house a mess, broke, and I didn't get laid, thinking what an idiot I was and that I'd never do that again (and eventually I didn't). I'm not so compelled over gambling, but it's better for me to make it part of a trip, rather than going to the local casino. The local casino feels more like the drugs did.
The gambling at least wouldn't physically kill you like the drugs can.
My niece's funeral is in a week.
Can i ask her age? Lost a niece a few months ago, age 29. Last time I saw her she was 16, barefoot, and hopping from foot to foot because the pavement was hot. What a sweet kid. Mary Frances was her name.
Made me so damn mad, I got a 3 day suspension for taking it out on a young man on the forum who thought he had problems !
23. Another sweet kid who made the wrong friends and the wrong choices.
Quote: 100xOddsi'd probably double down instead... +2000 or 0
:)
thus i need to immeidately stop off at the nearest Sears/Lowes/Home Depot after the $1000 win and buy the fridge in cash.
do not go home. do not pass Go.
I've only won 1k+ twice in my short gambling life, and I don't know what would have happened if I hadn't been staying in the casino's hotel and scooted right upstairs to put the money in the room's safe!
But it sure doesn't do her any good.
Watch her Mom closely for a while, will you ?