DRich
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January 29th, 2015 at 9:20:16 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Which is why this commercial will hit a nerve with many people. And you are completely wrong on the 6-5 thing. Most players don't really care. Nobody asks about house edge or volatility or frequency or any of that. 95% of players are just playing for fun. They play keno and roulette and penny slots. Do you really think a 6-5 blackjack that has a lower house edge than the other games I just mentioned is going to turn them off?


ZCore13



I agree with this 100%. A 2% hold at BJ is not the Las Vegas problem. The Las Vegas problem is the proliferation of gaming both in the U.S. and abroad.
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AcesAndEights
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January 29th, 2015 at 9:50:33 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Which is why this commercial will hit a nerve with many people. And you are completely wrong on the 6-5 thing. Most players don't really care. Nobody asks about house edge or volatility or frequency or any of that. 95% of players are just playing for fun. They play keno and roulette and penny slots. Do you really think a 6-5 blackjack that has a lower house edge than the other games I just mentioned is going to turn them off?


ZCore13


ZCore is right. You also have to consider the average recreational player's bankroll and willingness to lose. A $5 bet at a 6:5 table carries an expected loss of about 10 cents. A $25 bet at a 3:2 table carries an expected loss of about 14 cents. Many 3:2 tables in Vegas are now $25 minimums. If you're just a tourist betting table min, which would you choose?

Granted I see lots of tourists betting $25 and up at 6:5 tables, and these folks would benefit from some education. But there will be no uprising or 'shouting.' 6:5 is here to stay.
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DrawingDead
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January 29th, 2015 at 10:36:39 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Which is why this commercial will hit a nerve with many people. And you are completely wrong on the 6-5 thing. Most players don't really care. Nobody asks about house edge or volatility or frequency or any of that. 95% of players are just playing for fun. They play keno and roulette and penny slots. Do you really think a 6-5 blackjack that has a lower house edge than the other games I just mentioned is going to turn them off?


ZCore13

Yes, this. Remember that the most important type of Las Vegas gaming device is not any kind of table or machine. It is the hotel tower. Second place is the convention hall/event stage.

And for a lot of locals, the most attractive draw for moving was no closing time or "last call" for booze.
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January 29th, 2015 at 11:32:05 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Which is why this commercial will hit a nerve with many people. And you are completely wrong on the 6-5 thing. Most players don't really care. Nobody asks about house edge or volatility or frequency or any of that. 95% of players are just playing for fun. They play keno and roulette and penny slots. Do you really think a 6-5 blackjack that has a lower house edge than the other games I just mentioned is going to turn them off?


ZCore13


Excellent point Zcore. My 'education' of the players was not intended to be "omg this house edge is X and it's going to effect you 1 out of every 26 hands, and blah blah." I would use ploppy lingo to educate/frustrate the regular tourist (just as the casino does to attract them). It would be more something like "can you believe that Vegas is changing all of their blackjack tables so the house now has 4 times the advantage, or more?!?! Combine this with the over the top drink/club/meal/hotel prices and my how Vegas has strayed from what it used to be!"

This more emphasizes what tourists looking for the "Vegas" experience hate... change. This would drive a lot more people to 'do something', or sign up for something to show their unhappiness with these new changes. Basically I'm taking a page out of congress's book and lumping in the 6:5 problem in with the rest of the problems discussed in that video (that are more noticed by a typical tourist). I would imagine this to get some response. Also, to be perfectly honest, I don't expect 6:5 will ever go away now. It's made it's mark and is here... I'm just trying to think of ways to shake the cage enough to at least offer BOTH games at the same levels (aka $5 3-2 shoe BJ). I might be reaching a little deep, but I just don't want to let the decent games go without a fight =).
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ahiromu
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January 29th, 2015 at 11:55:41 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

It's bad enough that you can see the table printing says blackjack pays 6 to 5, but at the next to last scene of this long version, the dealer is sweeping a losing bet. I mean come on! Can't they script a winner? They're playing with fake chips! Surely they can fake some winning hands!



The only thing that would have been better is if the dealer was paying off 6:5 and he was getting all happy about a blackjack.
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ontariodealer
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January 29th, 2015 at 6:21:55 PM permalink
we're not vegas but we just added four 6/5 tables for the $5 player.
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RS
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January 29th, 2015 at 6:28:20 PM permalink
Ploppies are a two-way sword. Them being dumb is what allows APs (card counters) to profit. If the public starts to get smarter then the casino makes less money off the ploppies.

Theoretically speaking, what if every ploppy somehow magically learned to count over night and they began doing it on the strip. You could say bye bye to any decent 3:2 game remaining.

Sometimes it's best to not educate others.
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January 29th, 2015 at 6:38:25 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Ploppies are a two-way sword. Them being dumb is what allows APs (card counters) to profit. If the public starts to get smarter then the casino makes less money off the ploppies.

Theoretically speaking, what if every ploppy somehow magically learned to count over night and they began doing it on the strip. You could say bye bye to any decent 3:2 game remaining.

Sometimes it's best to not educate others.

You want people to understand enough to avoid 6-5 and to think they know how to play.
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FleaStiff
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January 29th, 2015 at 7:43:04 PM permalink
Pot is black.
Kettle is black.
Advertising Agency is black hearted.

Sure Vegas is suffering from competition all over the place but the image of Sin City should mean something more than just getting stuck with super high restaurant tabs, high room prices and games that fail the "free drink" test. Its a test I just now invented: If the casino serves you a thimble sized plastic cup with what is obviously cheap booze highly watered down, you know you won't be happy. If the casino has the same value system applied to their games; its the same experience even if some of the players don't know nuttin' 'bout six to five. They always know when they get reemed, even if they don't know the math.
aceofspades
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January 29th, 2015 at 7:55:00 PM permalink
What would you all think would happen if the following two blackjack games were placed right next to one another on the casino floor:


GAME 1:

$5min
6D
DOA
DAS
No Surrender
S17
3:2 BJ


GAME 2:

$5min
6D
DOA
DAS
No Surrender
S17
6:5 BJ

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