Mission146
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November 21st, 2017 at 8:38:57 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Being nuts about guns can be a positive reference as seen above. Calling someone a gun nut who says they are nuts about guns doesnt seem like a personal insult to me



He directly stated that another member is endangering his life due to the fact that he is a gun nut and wished for another member to be, "Caught at the door and banned from the casino," what else do you want for Personal Insult?

Besides, it's not like I banned him. I just wan to turn the thread to talking about the subject, not each other.
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November 21st, 2017 at 8:43:44 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

He directly stated that another member is endangering his life due to the fact that he is a gun nut and wished for another member to be, "Caught at the door and banned from the casino," what else do you want for Personal Insult?

Besides, it's not like I banned him. I just wan to turn the thread to talking about the subject, not each other.



"Gun nut," at least to myself and everyone I know, is a general term for people that like guns. Most of the people I know that are into guns refer to themselves as "gun nuts". It wasn't my intention to insult him. It's also not insulting to hope that casinos can figure out which people are carrying deadly weapons onto the casino floor and remove them. Take all of their money that you want - the last thing I want to see is another AP banned from a casino simply for being an AP. However, if you're a person that carries guns into casinos, I don't want to you to be there with me. That's all I was saying.
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November 21st, 2017 at 8:58:11 AM permalink
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"Gun nut," at least to myself and everyone I know, is a general term for people that like guns. Most of the people I know that are into guns refer to themselves as "gun nuts". It wasn't my intention to insult him. It's also not insulting to hope that casinos can figure out which people are carrying deadly weapons onto the casino floor and remove them. Take all of their money that you want - the last thing I want to see is another AP banned from a casino simply for being an AP. However, if you're a person that carries guns into casinos, I don't want to you to be there with me. That's all I was saying.



Those statements are all perfectly within the Rules. When you use, "You," or some form of it, five times in two sentences, that's where you want to take a look and ask, "Could I be in Personal Insult territory?" I'll eat my hat if, "Gun nut," could be reasonably believed, by anyone, to be a positive descriptor in that paragraph.

I also happen to largely agree with you on the general point, so please don't feel like you are being singled out. I wouldn't advocate a ban, but I would suggest the police be called to make sure all of the Registrations/Certificates are in order and then the carrier of the firearm then be asked to immediately remove it from the property completely before returning.
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darkoz
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November 21st, 2017 at 9:05:57 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

He directly stated that another member is endangering his life due to the fact that he is a gun nut and wished for another member to be, "Caught at the door and banned from the casino," what else do you want for Personal Insult?

Besides, it's not like I banned him. I just wan to turn the thread to talking about the subject, not each other.



Gotcha

So what is the general consensus in vegas about cc and guns in casinos and metal detectors after the recent mandalay bay incident. Im surprised this thread wasnt resurrected sooner
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Yelruh
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November 21st, 2017 at 9:35:45 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Gotcha

So what is the general consensus in vegas about cc and guns in casinos and metal detectors after the recent mandalay bay incident. Im surprised this thread wasnt resurrected sooner



From my understanding, concealed or open carry within a casino is legal, same as outside one. Signs on government buildings carry the weight of law in NV, private property doesn't.

If one is caught carrying, they could be trespassed. Just like happens to some caught as AP's.

As far as I've seen, outside of this post and the underlying press release, there is no screening at strip hotels. Some clubs search guests prior to entry as policy, and same goes for events.

At the end of the day, I doubt hotels are going to spend a lot of time and effort screening people and/or bags. It'll drive off/scare away customers. Who wants to stand around outside on a Friday afternoon in the summer to clear the TSA-like checkpoint? To the casino, thats 15-20 minutes I could be gambiling, but I'm not.
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November 21st, 2017 at 10:05:54 AM permalink
As far as LV Metro goes anyone with a fire arm who is not a sworn police officer is a threat and they will do what they can to dampen the enthusiasm of anyone exercising a right to open carry or anything. Cops often get a computer warning if they pull over a car and the owner is a CCP holder.

An eggs and grease breakfast joint near me had an armed robbery attempt of some sort but a customer was armed and simply blew his brains out without warning. His girlfriend tried to say the customer should have given him a chance to drop the gun but that is not the law for private citizens who are threatened.

I like the right to bear arms but there is a reality to the cop's views on it. A casino has so many guards and cameras that I can not envision a need to carry in a casino.
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November 21st, 2017 at 10:16:20 AM permalink
Quote: Yelruh

From my understanding, concealed or open carry within a casino is legal, same as outside one. Signs on government buildings carry the weight of law in NV, private property doesn't.

If one is caught carrying, they could be trespassed. Just like happens to some caught as AP's.



As you point out, the properties have a right to enforce their own rules, even if an action elsewhere would otherwise be legal. I would certainly not be in favor of trespassing someone getting caught violating such a rule for the first time, especially since they may arguably have not been aware of it. I think it's more than enough that they remove it from the property and not bring it back. If they refuse, or bring it back at a later date, then a trespass.
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November 21st, 2017 at 10:24:23 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I like the right to bear arms but there is a reality to the cop's views on it. A casino has so many guards and cameras that I can not envision a need to carry in a casino.



I don't disagree. Casinos tend to have very good security. Many in Vegas now have armed security too. Metro's presence on the Strip is pretty good as well.

Not to derail the thread - I don't carry because I'm going to _____. I simply carry because the law allows it.
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November 21st, 2017 at 1:35:47 PM permalink
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I don't disagree. Casinos tend to have very good security. Many in Vegas now have armed security too. Metro's presence on the Strip is pretty good as well.

Not to derail the thread - I don't carry because I'm going to _____. I simply carry because the law allows it.



A few days ago I went far out into the desert with my Jeep and my M1A, AK74, AK47, and two 45's. Nobody around for miles. Good times. I enjoy shooting guns and let's face it... guns are fun and feel good when you hold them or carry them. It's a simple pleasure like any other pleasure people might partake in.

Now if they want to take the guns away and only let the Law have them that is fine with me but they have to be willing to take them all out of the music, movies, video games, books and everything else that promotes them. When they are willing to do that I am willing to let them go. No water guns either or toy soldiers or rock em sock em robots or transformers or whatever else they got blowing stuff up for kids entertainment. No more entertainment about killing people or serial killers getting away with it like Dexter or Mr. Brooks or whatever else they got that I didn't list.
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December 11th, 2017 at 4:16:36 PM permalink
Well... looks like they are going live in then near future at the employee entrance for a test.

Interesting that it's apparently moving forward, surprising that it's taken this long.

Apparently I can't post links:
Www(dot)wired(dot)com/story/the-las-vegas-resort-using-microwaves-to-keep-guns-out-of-its-casino/

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