JGott
JGott
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November 23rd, 2014 at 9:52:08 PM permalink
Hi Dieter, thanks for your input, it is very appreciated.

It is one side bet eligible for the combination of all 18 possible payout scenarios.

Man that is crazy that you've been in situations where you have to remind the dealer to pay out a side bet. That's just wrong. But yes, obviously our long list is complicated due to the quantity and varying rules of each, so certainly it is only going to work well when playing it routinely with the same group of people who all understand the details of each. The most complicated ours get is a 3 card combination, so it isn't too mind-boggling. But agreed, this would prove disastrous if offered in a setting where people unfamiliar with them all just sat down and started playing, that would be very disruptive and slow down play. I think one or two of our brain-children here could work in a Casino setting, as long as the side bets were limited to only 2 or 3 options.

I agree 100% about our Executioner's Malice Side Bet, a side bet that impacts other players would not work at a Casino, a player should play against the dealer and not impact the other players in any way. It would certainly be foolish for a Casino to introduce such a side bet. However, when playing with just friends, there is a satisfaction of taking all of your friends money and forcing them to bust!

Yes, the King's Bounty and Lucky Ladies removed all other facets of the bet some casinos may offer, it is only KS/QH pairs. But separately, we have introduced High Society, which is basically the same as the two cards equal 20 bet that is normally part of Lucky Ladies at the Casino, except our version just removes the "10" card and is only winnable if the player gets a J,Q,K. That is still a 1 in 20 chance so that is pretty good, especially since it pays 5 - 1. If you are smart and are counting the times that is occurring you could stagnate your side betting and perhaps come out ahead. My friends are too drunk and distracted to accomplish this feat but perhaps it could cost me when playing with more attentive individuals.

You are right about the payout concerns, if we were playing with full dollars, certainly we would fund the bank with $20K or so to ensure payout coverage. But we are playing with pennies. Each one of our $1 chips is just a penny. That being the case, we realize that some lucky person who gets the Kingdom Forged in Blood side bet would win $1,000 if they had a maximum side bet of 10 (in our case this is a $0.10 side bet). "The bank" is adequately funded to cover that unlikely scenario. Given that it is unlikely that it would occur more than once in 550,000 times (which considering 2-3 hours of play once every two weeks, approx 1000 hands per week, it would take 20 years to play that many hands), honestly it would be worth the money to pay it out just for our own amusement, even if it did cause a loss. But, if someone were to receive that lucky hand, it is also more probable that they will not have a $0.10 side bet. It is more probable they will only have a $0.01 side bet, which would pay only $100, or no side bet at all.

To your question if all players could hit a side bet on the same hand, yes multiple players could hit the same side bet on the same round of dealing, if there are enough cards. For the highest paying one, Kingdom Forged in Blood which requires three Red Aces and a blackjack on at least one of the three hands, the formula is (6/160)*(5/159)*(4/158)*(0.0601415) (the blackjack probabilities are higher because of the three Jokers). So yes, if we were playing in the Bermuda Triangle, two players could receive that 1 in 550,000 chance side bet on the same hand.

Some other hands that are more probable, like High Society (two face cards), we've already witnessed that happening to two players on the same round of dealing.

Good suggestion about the rules for each side bet being carefully written out in more detail. We will do that and make a booklet. Thank you very much!
Dieter
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November 24th, 2014 at 4:18:02 AM permalink
Quote: JGott

if we were playing with full dollars, certainly we would fund the bank with $20K or so to ensure payout coverage. But we are playing with pennies.



If you were playing with dollars, a max sidebet Kingdom Forged in Blood hit would cost you $100,000, and you'd still be woefully underfunded. (Fundamental principle: don't overbet your bankroll, even when you have an edge.)

I'm glad you can cover at least one hit on it.



Completely unrelated question - what's your house shuffle look like?
May the cards fall in your favor.
JGott
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November 25th, 2014 at 10:58:08 PM permalink
We are practicing a shuffle at the 2-deck penetration point, or upon the second Joker being dealt, whichever comes first.
Dieter
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November 26th, 2014 at 5:17:03 AM permalink
Quote: JGott

We are practicing a shuffle at the 2-deck penetration point, or upon the second Joker being dealt, whichever comes first.



You're only dealing 2 decks? That's spending half your time shuffling instead of playing.

Perhaps you deal 4 decks, or to the second joker?


I was actually more curious about the way you shuffle the cards, instead of when you shuffle the cards, but I understand if you're protecting your high stakes game by not discussing it. ;)
May the cards fall in your favor.

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