ThatDonGuy
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September 2nd, 2019 at 8:44:42 AM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

I don't like the tip culture either. But for whatever reason, people have decided to tip dealers, bartenders, cocktail servers, slot attendant handpays, and restaurant servers. The only way to change this is to put up a big sign at the casino entrance that says "TIPPING IS A BANNABLE OFFENSE" and then pay the employees twice as much so they make the same amount of money (just minimum wage will result in having zero employees).


Tipping isn't going away any time soon. In fact, the new "raise the federal minimum wage to $15/hour, as if that's ever even getting to the Senate floor" bill not only will raise the minimum wage for "tipped employees" to match the regular minimum wage, but will (a) give all employees the right to keep 100% of all tips they take (i.e. they can opt out of "tip pooling"), and (b) force all employers to inform their tipped employees of this fact.
KevinAA
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September 2nd, 2019 at 12:04:22 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Tipping isn't going away any time soon. In fact, the new "raise the federal minimum wage to $15/hour, as if that's ever even getting to the Senate floor" bill not only will raise the minimum wage for "tipped employees" to match the regular minimum wage, but will (a) give all employees the right to keep 100% of all tips they take (i.e. they can opt out of "tip pooling"), and (b) force all employers to inform their tipped employees of this fact.



Great idea, let's jack up the cost of living for everyone. :rolleyes:
sodawater
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September 2nd, 2019 at 4:52:57 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

Quote: ThatDonGuy

Tipping isn't going away any time soon. In fact, the new "raise the federal minimum wage to $15/hour, as if that's ever even getting to the Senate floor" bill not only will raise the minimum wage for "tipped employees" to match the regular minimum wage, but will (a) give all employees the right to keep 100% of all tips they take (i.e. they can opt out of "tip pooling"), and (b) force all employers to inform their tipped employees of this fact.



Great idea, let's jack up the cost of living for everyone. :rolleyes:



Seems like you've got the attitude that as long as you get yours, everyone else doesn't matter. Doesn't everyone deserve to have a standard of living?

Here's my opinion. Casino dealers make way, way, way too much money relative to just about every other job short of corporate executives.

Their jobs could be done by robots and it will be a nicer experience for the players when they are replaced by robots at 1/20th of the cost.

Occasionally you will get a dealer who is nice, personable, and deals the game well. They are the minority and usually after a few years that good attitude will have boiled off into resentment and nonstop seething about perceived undertipping -- like most tipped employees.

If you're a tipped employee and you *ever* complain about being undertipped, I hope you are consistent and return the money (or donate it to charity) those equally numerous times you are overtipped.

I can't count how often I have seen some moron give a poker dealer two green chips for pushing him a $200 pot in 1-3 NL. Those $50 tips make up for a heck of a lot of "stiffs," but you won't hear about that if you talk to the dealer. All you'll hear about are the stupid stiffs who didn't tip a dollar when they won a $40 pot. God forbid the dealer should make less than $40 an hour.

And I am sure all of you tipped employees are diligently keeping records on all tipped income, including cash, and paying taxes to fund society like the rest of us.
KevinAA
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September 2nd, 2019 at 7:32:39 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Seems like you've got the attitude that as long as you get yours, everyone else doesn't matter. Doesn't everyone deserve to have a standard of living?

Here's my opinion. Casino dealers make way, way, way too much money relative to just about every other job short of corporate executives.

Their jobs could be done by robots and it will be a nicer experience for the players when they are replaced by robots at 1/20th of the cost.



There are already robots that deal blackjack. It's called video blackjack. It's very unpopular (same with craps). People like to play live table games.

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Occasionally you will get a dealer who is nice, personable, and deals the game well. They are the minority and usually after a few years that good attitude will have boiled off into resentment and nonstop seething about perceived undertipping -- like most tipped employees.

If you're a tipped employee and you *ever* complain about being undertipped, I hope you are consistent and return the money (or donate it to charity) those equally numerous times you are overtipped.

I can't count how often I have seen some moron give a poker dealer two green chips for pushing him a $200 pot in 1-3 NL. Those $50 tips make up for a heck of a lot of "stiffs," but you won't hear about that if you talk to the dealer. All you'll hear about are the stupid stiffs who didn't tip a dollar when they won a $40 pot. God forbid the dealer should make less than $40 an hour.

And I am sure all of you tipped employees are diligently keeping records on all tipped income, including cash, and paying taxes to fund society like the rest of us.



I get imputed income, which is an agreement between the IRS and the casino that my taxable income will be that much. I have explicit authority to not report any tip income in addition to my W-2 on line 1 of form 1040.
AxelWolf
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September 3rd, 2019 at 2:36:47 AM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

Quote: sodawater

Seems like you've got the attitude that as long as you get yours, everyone else doesn't matter. Doesn't everyone deserve to have a standard of living?

Here's my opinion. Casino dealers make way, way, way too much money relative to just about every other job short of corporate executives.

Their jobs could be done by robots and it will be a nicer experience for the players when they are replaced by robots at 1/20th of the cost.



There are already robots that deal blackjack. It's called video blackjack. It's very unpopular (same with craps). People like to play live table games.

Quote:

Occasionally you will get a dealer who is nice, personable, and deals the game well. They are the minority and usually after a few years that good attitude will have boiled off into resentment and nonstop seething about perceived undertipping -- like most tipped employees.

If you're a tipped employee and you *ever* complain about being undertipped, I hope you are consistent and return the money (or donate it to charity) those equally numerous times you are overtipped.

I can't count how often I have seen some moron give a poker dealer two green chips for pushing him a $200 pot in 1-3 NL. Those $50 tips make up for a heck of a lot of "stiffs," but you won't hear about that if you talk to the dealer. All you'll hear about are the stupid stiffs who didn't tip a dollar when they won a $40 pot. God forbid the dealer should make less than $40 an hour.

And I am sure all of you tipped employees are diligently keeping records on all tipped income, including cash, and paying taxes to fund society like the rest of us.



I get imputed income, which is an agreement between the IRS and the casino that my taxable income will be that much. I have explicit authority to not report any tip income in addition to my W-2 on line 1 of form 1040.

I (and others)have explicit authority to not tip my income in addition to your W-2 income.
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KevinAA
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September 3rd, 2019 at 2:00:35 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I (and others)have explicit authority to not tip my income in addition to your W-2 income.



Maybe you're not understanding this... the W-2 income is the base pay PLUS imputed income. No tips means I'm paying taxes on nonexistent income. If no one tips, the table games will go away and you'll be stuck playing video BJ and bubble craps.
kubikulann
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AxelWolf
September 3rd, 2019 at 2:17:16 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

. If no one tips, the table games will go away and you'll be stuck playing video BJ and bubble craps.

Not!
We do not tip in Europe, and still have table games and all.

Tips is an obsolete way of paying workers, and America is somehow backward in this respect. I guess that is because they think unions and defending the workers is some communist treason! 😆😂🤣

Seriously, when tips give way to decent salary, you’ll have a more stable revenue, less stress and less bitching from tippers and tipped. Also, you get more recognition in terms of social protection (unemployment benefits, retirement,…) Prices don’t go up, since people accept paying in ‘service fee’ what they paid in tips. In the case of casinos, that may imply less generous paytables but customers understand that they are sparing the tips meanwhile.
And overall, prices are more transparent and that is also a bonus to a market economy.
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smoothgrh
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September 3rd, 2019 at 2:33:09 PM permalink
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Seriously, when tips give way to decent salary, … . In the case of casinos, that may imply less generous paytables but customers understand that they are sparing the tips meanwhile.



I sure wish this is an issue of "when."

And in the case of casinos, I hope that decent salary for floor workers means less generous salaries/bonuses for executives.
Lovecomps
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September 3rd, 2019 at 4:58:09 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA



We don't allow stinky homeless people in the casino. Burners are no different except that they're stupid enough to actually pay lots of money to be stinky and dirty.



I'm going to have to call you out on that one...they stand next to me all the time and then mumble stuff under their breath when I bet the darkside.

As a former dealer, it's location, location,location. The worst place to get tips is at the crap table. Poker dealers pick up a tip at the end of every game.
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