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mrsuit31
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December 10th, 2016 at 1:56:16 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

For instance if you used a simple pay table including full pay for 17, then you would fold less (28.796%) (you now play marginal hands such as p(7s)) and P(17) goes up (5.661%).

Simple payout : House Edge 1.964%
17-29 : Pays 1/1
30-31 : Pays 5/1
Trips : Pays 8/1



Being a pay table based game, I personally like/feel the need to have a number of payouts possible for the base game. This is just my opinion of course.

The pay table you proposed is something I have been considering for a "vs a dealer" version of the game that would act like a ante bonus as in 3CP. However, I am not ready to add another finished version of the game to the list just yet. But of course anything is a possibility down the road.
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mrsuit31
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February 3rd, 2017 at 9:55:21 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Thanks. Personally I'd prefer the Ante to pay for a winning 17, but can understand if the maths prevents that happening.



Quote: IndyJeffrey

I like both games. That said, I don't love either of them. I feel like I am folding way more than playing. That's not fun - I want action. That said, maybe I was playing wrong or unlucky.



As a result of some brainstorming and experimenting with different pay tables, I have made some changes that include the two requests mentioned above. I incorporated a single unit pay on the base game 17 and have also dropped the minimum pay requirement on the side wager back down to 16.

To address the fold concern that IndyJeff had stated, the new base game table increases the paid hit rate up to 39.1% and increased the play rate to 70.4%. Therefore, less than 3 of 10 hands should be folded. The hit rate on the side wager is now up to 28.2%

Give the demo a spin and let me know what you all think. 31 Classic Game Demo

Make sure to refresh the page once viewing the demo to make sure the new coding is being read by your computer.
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Romes
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February 3rd, 2017 at 10:28:37 AM permalink
So you don't like a lot of payouts:

Quote: mrsuit31

...One thing to keep in mind is that when you have the smaller ranges as you propose, the percentages per event drop significantly for each. So your idea of having each range of one or two values won't really "feel" much different at all. It just gives the dealers 100 times more work increasing the number of pays to be familiar with.

So you don't like too few payouts:

Quote: mrsuit31

Being a pay table based game, I personally like/feel the need to have a number of payouts possible for the base game. This is just my opinion of course.

Ha, messing with you... of course there's a fine balance, but I'm going to stick with my personal (quite possibly wrong) feeling that smaller buckets and more payouts will make the player think they're winning "bigger" more often. My honest opinion is I have more fun every time I get a non 1-1 payout. That's where the game would capture my attention/feeling/passion.

1) What's the fun of the game? When you get past the 1-1 payout and you hit a big hand you get that 'rush' of a 'big' win. By adding more buckets you should be able to get past the 1-1 payout a bit quicker and thus more people will feel like they do better in the game.

2) The dealers won't have much more work at all. Compare this game (with the smaller buckets I proposed) to several other games in a casino and yeah, not very hard at all to deal this game. 1 dealer card and then a little simple addition... easier than blackjack in my opinion.

I made about $10k... should I expect the check in the mail?
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
mrsuit31
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February 3rd, 2017 at 11:07:21 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

I made about $10k... should I expect the check in the mail?



Haha, I'll get right on that...
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mrsuit31
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March 7th, 2017 at 8:23:50 AM permalink
In lieu of an upcoming trial for the game (information to be released once the game is approved and live), I have uploaded a new game introduction video for the game to my youtube/website. Please let me know your thoughts on the video in terms of clarity.

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Zcore13
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March 7th, 2017 at 8:39:34 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

In lieu of an upcoming trial for the game (information to be released once the game is approved and live), I have uploaded a new game introduction video for the game to my youtube/website. Please let me know your thoughts on the video in terms of clarity.



Well done. Good luck on the trial.


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UCivan
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March 7th, 2017 at 9:15:40 AM permalink
Congrat!
mrsuit31
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March 7th, 2017 at 10:21:34 AM permalink
Thank you Zcore and Ucivan!
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Romes
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March 7th, 2017 at 10:30:40 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

In lieu of an upcoming trial for the game (information to be released once the game is approved and live), I have uploaded a new game introduction video for the game to my youtube/website. Please let me know your thoughts on the video in terms of clarity.

The video has a really good verbal explanation of the game. The visual though is a bit small, imo. Are you going to have this on a large screen tv or something near a booth? If so, then that could work. I have a fairly large monitor and still in theater mode on youtube had to focus hard to read the pay tables.

IF you were going to make edits, I'd suggest focusing on only 2 spots, or 1 spot. That will enlarge the pay tables and make the cards easier to see to understand the game.

Hope your trial goes well!
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mrsuit31
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March 7th, 2017 at 10:44:27 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

The video has a really good verbal explanation of the game. The visual though is a bit small, imo. Are you going to have this on a large screen tv or something near a booth? If so, then that could work. I have a fairly large monitor and still in theater mode on youtube had to focus hard to read the pay tables.

IF you were going to make edits, I'd suggest focusing on only 2 spots, or 1 spot. That will enlarge the pay tables and make the cards easier to see to understand the game.

Hope your trial goes well!



Hi Romes,

Thanks for the well wishes!

This is just an intro video for the website and youtube. I don't plan to use this for any other reason, as the players from MI had liked the video I had done for M$31. This also gives the dealers a quick intro to what the procedures look like as well, and I will be doing a more procedure based training video as well.

I know the video appears small on the thread itself (no formatting options available), but you can do full screen and it is clear (you should even be able to read the pay tables in full screen), or you can watch on the website or youtube itself which have larger viewing screens (maybe this sizing issue for videos can be recoded for this site, I leave that to Wiz and the Mods of course).
Last edited by: mrsuit31 on Mar 7, 2017
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