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rainman
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March 10th, 2014 at 7:24:08 PM permalink
Went to the casino Caribbean on Friday from (8-12).
There in the corner was the lucky stiff table sitting empty so I took a seat at the table next to it and watched it for the next four hours.

As the casino filled this table finally got some action, And so too did the L-Stiff side bet.
The table location is the wost in the house (to be expected I guess) this table location
often only sees action when the other tables are at capacity.
That being said I saw way more action on the L-Stiff side bet than the table I was playing (Match Bonus) I think?
In fact I think it got more action than the other tables I could see as well. I couldn't see free bet from where I was sitting
but it was empty every time I got up and walked by , That is until the last time when I left and it was the only full BJ table.

I asked two dealers if they thought it was doing well. They said yes.
I may go back this coming weekend, One of the dealers said I was very handsome. The gloves are off now. :)
I will try and observe L-stiff again if I do.
Lucky
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March 10th, 2014 at 8:51:42 PM permalink
Thanks for the report, rainman. Much appreciated.

We're hoping the table will get a better location soon. The main thing is the Lucky Stiff participation rate. If it's as high as early indicators tell us it will be, everything else should fall into place.
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Paradigm
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March 11th, 2014 at 9:40:45 AM permalink
Much appreciate that report Rainman!

My guess is you were sitting at the BJ table with Double Action and Match Madness as the two BJ side bets. I believe there are two of those tables at Caribbean and they seem to get some side bet play as well. Both of those propositions are more of the instant resolution/"just get lucky" type of side bets, one on the front end using the dealer's upcard and the players two initial cards vs. a pay table and Match Madness is a mid hand resolution based on any of those three cards matching the dealer's down card.

The biggest differential for Lucky Stiff from these types of side bets is that the player's decision to stand or hit directly impacts whether the player will win the 5-1 end of hand payout in Lucky Stiff. BJ Players like control & that is what they get in Lucky Stiff.

Lucky Stiff does have the instant/"just get lucky" pays for a player Blackjack (1-1) and for players that are initially dealt pairs of 6's, 7's & 8's (10-1). However, roughly 2/3 of the 17.6% hit rate on Lucky Stiff is the 5-1 pay that the player receives when they start the hand with an unpaired Hard 12-16 (38% of their starting hands) and subsequently beat the dealer by either hitting or standing on their initial hand.

Next time you should sit at the Lucky Stiff table......even if you are not a side bet player and just stick to the main BJ bet (the main BJ bet is just regular BJ), you will get a chance to see Lucky Stiff in action when other players make the wager.
Paradigm
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March 24th, 2014 at 7:00:39 PM permalink
Lucky & I are pleased to announce that Lucky Stiff Blackjack is going live today at Legends Casino.

Legends is an 18 table/1400 machine tribal casino located in Toppenish, WA. Information regarding Legends can be found here: Legends Casino

We are getting good game results & player/dealer feedback at our first two installations of Lucky Stiff Blackjack at Casino Caribbean (Kirkland, WA) and Gold Strike (Tunica, MS) both of which went live in February. It is still early in the overall trial process, but we are hoping for similar results at Legends Casino.

Lucky Stiff Blackjack is a side bet installed on a regular blackjack game. Game details can be found here: Lucky Stiff Blackjack
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March 25th, 2014 at 10:03:13 AM permalink
Don't want to highjack this thread, but I have to ask ? Legends has this rule :

Player may play more than one hand as follows:
1. Players must play twice the table minimum for two hands (on each hand), i.e., on a $5 game, both bets must be at least $10 per hand.
2. For three hands, it would be 5X the table minimum per hand, i.e., on a $5 game, each bet will be at least $25 per hand.
3. For more than three hands, the Dealer must get manager approval.

Many times I have been at a table during slow times, when a player wanted to spread to 2 hands, and after being told he must double his bets, he continues just playing one spot. I have been told I had to double my bets, and not so nicely, when I was only player at the table and had been so for over an hour.

No such rules when playing slots, vp, or roulette !
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michael99000
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March 25th, 2014 at 10:14:43 AM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Don't want to highjack this thread, but I have to ask ? Legends has this rule :

Player may play more than one hand as follows:
1. Players must play twice the table minimum for two hands (on each hand), i.e., on a $5 game, both bets must be at least $10 per hand.
2. For three hands, it would be 5X the table minimum per hand, i.e., on a $5 game, each bet will be at least $25 per hand.
3. For more than three hands, the Dealer must get manager approval.

Many times I have been at a table during slow times, when a player wanted to spread to 2 hands, and after being told he must double his bets, he continues just playing one spot. I have been told I had to double my bets, and not so nicely, when I was only player at the table and had been so for over an hour.

No such rules when playing slots, vp, or roulette !



What is the purpose of that rule?
Buzzard
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March 25th, 2014 at 10:22:08 AM permalink
Damn if I know. That's why I asked !
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AxiomOfChoice
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March 25th, 2014 at 10:58:13 AM permalink
I would like to say that I love this rule.
beerseason
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March 25th, 2014 at 11:16:12 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

What is the purpose of that rule?



I suppose it's to get people to play more or allow someone who might play more a shot at the table. Instead of someone playing two spots at 5$ when someone MIGHT play 10$ or more when it's full, at the worst you get same action and have a shot at getting more action. After all every seat is a piece of real estate to the casino. I personally like the rule.
michael99000
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March 25th, 2014 at 3:24:19 PM permalink
Quote: beerseason

I suppose it's to get people to play more or allow someone who might play more a shot at the table. Instead of someone playing two spots at 5$ when someone MIGHT play 10$ or more when it's full, at the worst you get same action and have a shot at getting more action. After all every seat is a piece of real estate to the casino. I personally like the rule.



That makes sense. I always need to remember that pretty much every casino rule can somehow be tied back to them wanting more money in the bet circles.

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