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Lucky
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:10:58 PM permalink
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:15:35 PM permalink
I'm 20 minutes away from the casino carribean. I'll go check it out this weekend and report back.
AcesAndEights
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:17:46 PM permalink
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Surrender is an excluded rule for Lucky Stiff, so it would not apply for the main bet or side bet. Does that not spell it out for you clearly enough? But I suppose an operator could allow it, but don't get 'pedantic' on me and expect the precise mathematical effect in such a case, whether the Lucky Stiff bet loses or pushes.


I played the bet just last night, at a table that allowed surrender on the main bet. My Lucky Stiff bet lost, which makes sense since I didn't "Beat the Dealer" as the rack card specifies. However, it seems like this should be spelled out in the regulations somewhere, or specifically disallowed on the main bet by the operator. FWIW, they allowed surrender at the other BJ table that was open.
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:31:01 PM permalink
Oh ok. You must have been playing at Casino Caribbean in Kirkland. Did you run into Paradigm by any chance? He was up there for a Mulligan 21 opening in Kirkland and dropped by Casino Caribbean either Saturday or Sunday ... he probably just arrived back home in Southern CA.
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:32:27 PM permalink
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I'm 20 minutes away from the casino carribean. I'll go check it out this weekend and report back.


Please do, rainman. Feedback is much appreciated!
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:34:07 PM permalink
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I played the bet just last night, at a table that allowed surrender on the main bet. My Lucky Stiff bet lost, which makes sense since I didn't "Beat the Dealer" as the rack card specifies. However, it seems like this should be spelled out in the regulations somewhere, or specifically disallowed on the main bet by the operator. FWIW, they allowed surrender at the other BJ table that was open.


I agree.
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:39:06 PM permalink
... the rule inclusion or exclusion, and its consequences, should be clearly spelled out. Thanks for pointing out the ambiguity; maybe it will be corrected.

How was your session?
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AcesAndEights
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March 3rd, 2014 at 12:58:34 PM permalink
Quote: Lucky

... the rule inclusion or exclusion, and its consequences, should be clearly spelled out. Thanks for pointing out the ambiguity; maybe it will be corrected.

How was your session?


It was fun; I can totally see the appeal of the bet. I threw a few dollars at it and hit one of the 10-1 instant winners and several 5-1 winners. The table only had 6 spots which seemed weird as most BJ tables have 7. But, of the 6 spots 4 were playing the LS bet, 2 of them for $5 each.

The dealer made a couple errors which were spotted by the players immediately - she tried to take my LS bet when I pushed the dealer on my stiff, and she took another player's LS bet when the player got a blackjack. Clearly the bet is new, but she was very apologetic in each case. She also tried to take my "next hand" LS bet after I got payed off 10-1 on an instant winner and posted the next white chip before the main hand resolved - which is kinda my bad, but there may be a better procedure here? Anyway, that kind of thing happens a lot, and she remembered immediately that I had been paid already (pretty obvious since I had a stiff pair still).

All in all it was amusing. I won't play it again as the HE is too high for me, but I would say it's well on its way to acceptance at this location, at least.
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March 3rd, 2014 at 1:01:09 PM permalink
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It was fun; I can totally see the appeal of the bet. I threw a few dollars at it and hit one of the 10-1 instant winners and several 5-1 winners. The table only had 6 spots which seemed weird as most BJ tables have 7. But, of the 6 spots 4 were playing the LS bet, 2 of them for $5 each.

The dealer made a couple errors which were spotted by the players immediately - she tried to take my LS bet when I pushed the dealer on my stiff, and she took another player's LS bet when the player got a blackjack. Clearly the bet is new, but she was very apologetic in each case. She also tried to take my "next hand" LS bet after I got payed off 10-1 on an instant winner and posted the next white chip before the main hand resolved - which is kinda my bad, but there may be a better procedure here? Anyway, that kind of thing happens a lot, and she remembered immediately that I had been paid already (pretty obvious since I had a stiff pair still).

All in all it was amusing. I won't play it again as the HE is too high for me, but I would say it's well on its way to acceptance at this location, at least.



You got paid 10-1 on an instant winner? I thought that the payouts were 7-1 and 1-1 for the instant winners. Are there different paytables? Or was this dealer error?
Lucky
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March 3rd, 2014 at 1:17:46 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

It was fun; I can totally see the appeal of the bet. I threw a few dollars at it and hit one of the 10-1 instant winners and several 5-1 winners. The table only had 6 spots which seemed weird as most BJ tables have 7. But, of the 6 spots 4 were playing the LS bet, 2 of them for $5 each.

The dealer made a couple errors which were spotted by the players immediately - she tried to take my LS bet when I pushed the dealer on my stiff, and she took another player's LS bet when the player got a blackjack. Clearly the bet is new, but she was very apologetic in each case. She also tried to take my "next hand" LS bet after I got payed off 10-1 on an instant winner and posted the next white chip before the main hand resolved - which is kinda my bad, but there may be a better procedure here? Anyway, that kind of thing happens a lot, and she remembered immediately that I had been paid already (pretty obvious since I had a stiff pair still).

All in all it was amusing. I won't play it again as the HE is too high for me, but I would say it's well on its way to acceptance at this location, at least.


Thanks for the report, and for giving the bet a try. What you say squares with what Paradigm saw when he was there. I believe a 7-spot layout will show up soon, and hopefully the dealer errors will be 'worked out' soon. Good player participation on the bet is what we anticipated based on early research; glad to see it's happening in reality.

The error on the early posting (or possible post posting) is a security issue that we've tried to specifically point out in dealer training.
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