smoothgrh
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May 31st, 2017 at 9:00:41 PM permalink
I threw a good $20 away in a Centipede slot machine trying to get to the skill-based bonus round, but never got it, then decided that was all the money I'd waste on that.

A few thoughts:

1. The art/graphics of the reels weren't appealing enough such that I'd even felt I like I had enough "eye candy" entertainment.

2. Anyone who has played arcade games over the years knows that a game with a worn out/broken controller can ruin a gamer's top potential on the game.

3. My thought about "skill-based" games is that the "skill" element is merely to reach the top payback, not to get more that I otherwise would have won. In other words, in an ordinary slot game, I might expect to get 95% payback on a "loose" game. But in a "skill-based" game, I might have to be awesome at the game to ever hope to reach 95%, otherwise I'd get the typical 90% payback or as low as the state-mandated minimum of 87% or whatever it is. I'd rather play a regular slot game that normally has 95% theoretical payback.
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smoothgrh
May 31st, 2017 at 9:23:32 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

3. My thought about "skill-based" games is that the "skill" element is merely to reach the top payback, not to get more that I otherwise would have won. In other words, in an ordinary slot game, I might expect to get 95% payback on a "loose" game. But in a "skill-based" game, I might have to be awesome at the game to ever hope to reach 95%, otherwise I'd get the typical 90% payback or as low as the state-mandated minimum of 87% or whatever it is. I'd rather play a regular slot game that normally has 95% theoretical payback.


This is surely how it works. It's the same as Video Poker, playing perfectly will only yield the maximum return that the game is set for. The only difference is that these video game based slots are motor skill, not strategy memory skill. I don't think they are putting these types of games on the floor that can be beat by highly skilled or perfect play.
doughtaker
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June 1st, 2017 at 12:50:32 AM permalink
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1. The art/graphics of the reels weren't appealing enough such that I'd even felt I like I had enough "eye candy" entertainment.



I absolutely agree that neither version's reel graphics were spectacular.

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2. Anyone who has played arcade games over the years knows that a game with a worn out/broken controller can ruin a gamer's top potential on the game.



Yep. But in the case of the slot versions, that busted joystick could make you a big winner if you're the first person to master it...

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3. My thought about "skill-based" games is that the "skill" element is merely to reach the top payback, not to get more that I otherwise would have won. In other words, in an ordinary slot game, I might expect to get 95% payback on a "loose" game. But in a "skill-based" game, I might have to be awesome at the game to ever hope to reach 95%, otherwise I'd get the typical 90% payback or as low as the state-mandated minimum of 87% or whatever it is. I'd rather play a regular slot game that normally has 95% theoretical payback.



That depends on how the game's skill elements and their contribution to payback are set up. The only certainty is that if the hypothetical #1 video gamer in the world played Centipede (or another similar slot) 24/7 while in a casino for a sufficiently long period of time, he/she would eventually lose money to the house edge.
onenickelmiracle
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June 1st, 2017 at 2:10:43 AM permalink
The marketers made up a word, melty presumably because the cheese in the commercials wasn't cheese, so just call them skilly games or skillicle.
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Romes
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June 1st, 2017 at 8:09:45 AM permalink
If they want to make money off "video game players" they need to just make video game gambling a section and offer to host the matches and take a rake like poker.

I.E. Some guy shoots his mouth off that he's really good at halo (everyone does this). I perk up and talk a little smack to get him to agree to play me at X property. We go there, both put $100 on the line with a teller/employee in the gaming area, then when I inevitably beat him, I get $195 back (my $100 + $95 of his and $5 to the house). Skilled gaming at its finest.

The only problem with this is: After a year or two no one would be willing to book action if you offered it because all the idiots that suck would get fleeced by real pros and learn the hard way not to actually make a bet.

As MLG has shown for a multitude of games... The only way to keep people coming back and getting big prize pools is to have a league or tons of tournaments. They could do a monthly tournament with a guaranteed prize pool... but again, that would attract all of the sharks. In the end, you can't have a "fair" game that the newbs have a chance at, because they're newbs and they will (and should) lose to a player of higher skill.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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June 1st, 2017 at 8:38:48 AM permalink
Zcore13
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June 1st, 2017 at 9:56:35 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

If they want to make money off "video game players" they need to just make video game gambling a section and offer to host the matches and take a rake like poker.

I.E. Some guy shoots his mouth off that he's really good at halo (everyone does this). I perk up and talk a little smack to get him to agree to play me at X property. We go there, both put $100 on the line with a teller/employee in the gaming area, then when I inevitably beat him, I get $195 back (my $100 + $95 of his and $5 to the house). Skilled gaming at its finest.



It's coming. That's the future of skill based gaming. Not bonus rounds on slot machines.

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Paradigm
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June 2nd, 2017 at 6:46:07 AM permalink
Wonder if that means the content creators of the video games are going to start getting a new revenue stream from operators that want to use their games/content as a basis to generate gambling revenue?
Romes
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June 2nd, 2017 at 7:55:04 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Wonder if that means the content creators of the video games are going to start getting a new revenue stream from operators that want to use their games/content as a basis to generate gambling revenue?

They could change some kind of rules/laws/distribution, but the way video games have always worked... Once you buy a hard copy of the game (disk) you can put it in the machine and play it however you want. I don't think they'd have a way to control people from betting on the next game played between two people. The casino wouldn't be doing anything with the game itself, just offering their services as a middle man in the transaction to keep the money safe and pay out the appropriate party.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
AxelWolf
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June 2nd, 2017 at 9:36:01 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

They could change some kind of rules/laws/distribution, but the way video games have always worked... Once you buy a hard copy of the game (disk) you can put it in the machine and play it however you want. I don't think they'd have a way to control people from betting on the next game played between two people. The casino wouldn't be doing anything with the game itself, just offering their services as a middle man in the transaction to keep the money safe and pay out the appropriate party.

So it's not like a Video or something, I'm not sure if the laws changed, but I was under the impression you couldn't rent a video and then show it to a group of people without permission or something like that.

Somehow I think if the casinos were doing this, the Video game people would want a cut.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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