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November 30th, 2016 at 5:38:53 AM permalink
Well, this was inevitable....

CET Properties to Charge for Parking in Vegas

Valet parking is first (end of December). Self parking sometime in 2017.

No charges for parking at Rio.
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November 30th, 2016 at 5:49:50 AM permalink
It is never hard to get around paying for parking in Vegas but it is getting a bit silly how greedy these Casinos are getting. I know that they have some problems with employees taking up space but this charging for parking or having to jump through a bunch of hoops to get free parking is getting out of control. Next thing they are going to do is charge admission to get into the Casino :) !!
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November 30th, 2016 at 6:13:47 AM permalink
Auuuugggggghhh!

I hope their customers punish them for this.

Stupid bean counters.
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November 30th, 2016 at 6:17:34 AM permalink
maybe I am just stupid but I don't mind the paid parking. Maybe I am just used to it while working downtown and paying to go to work and when in AC they have paid parking. Hell I am staying at a hotel in Chicago this weekend and I have to pay for parking.


However, they better have it like AC where as long asyou play or are a certain tier it is free. If I am diamond or platinum and have to pay then I might turn cranky.
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November 30th, 2016 at 6:29:16 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

maybe I am just stupid but I don't mind the paid parking. Maybe I am just used to it while working downtown and paying to go to work and when in AC they have paid parking. Hell I am staying at a hotel in Chicago this weekend and I have to pay for parking.


However, they better have it like AC where as long asyou play or are a certain tier it is free. If I am diamond or platinum and have to pay then I might turn cranky.



Sure... most people in the US in most cities pay for parking and have no problem paying for parking. It is the same thing that I see everyday when tourists come to vegas and pay 14 dollars for one drink at the bar and have no idea if they would just play a few dollars in the machine they could get it for free and give the bartender a few extra dollars instead. The Casinos don't lose and they make money faster than they can print it and now they have to charge the suckers for parking and beer and resort fees and what not. Heck I was at one CET property years ago just waiting for a poker tournament to finish and made a 300 dollar bet in the sports book and was told I couldn't get a drink ticket unless I bet 600 minimum. You keep letting these Casinos charge for whatever they want and you will be playing BJ and Dice at a 95% return soon enough.
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November 30th, 2016 at 7:14:30 AM permalink
The tribal casinos I gamble at have free parking, and when I am comped a room there are no resort fees, either.

To me, parking fees and resort fees, coupled to the cost of air fare to go to and from Las Vegas now tip the scales in favor of gambling locally and not coming to Las Vegas.

I suppose I'll still visit occasionally, but not as frequently as I used to.
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November 30th, 2016 at 8:13:02 AM permalink
Nevada residents get free self parking while Platinum, Diamond, and 7 Stars get free valet parking. Max self parking fee is $10 and max valet is $18. This is still much cheaper than in most big cities.

I think it was inevitable once MGM started it.
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November 30th, 2016 at 8:23:51 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Auuuugggggghhh!

I hope their customers punish them for this.

Stupid bean counters.



I only see them making easy money off this just like Resort Fees. Everyone complains but it hasn't hurt business from looking at the numbers. If they continue to allow locals and premium members to park for free, the only people paying will be tourists driving in, who will begrudgingly pay it. Not much risk of a punishment to them from what I see, we always just accept it.
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November 30th, 2016 at 8:25:12 AM permalink
And soon all other adjacent casinos will start charging. If they don't, their lots will be full of cars of people not planning on using the casino that owns the lot. I am glad to see the Rio is not included.
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November 30th, 2016 at 8:27:48 AM permalink
Agreed on the inevitability. Props on giving platinums free parking.

However, if they ever start charging at Rio, shame on them. I'd doubt it though, Rio competes for locals.
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November 30th, 2016 at 8:31:50 AM permalink
"Guests will be charged for each use of valet parking at Caesars Entertainment properties other than the hotel where the guest is staying."

Lol. Insult to injury.
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November 30th, 2016 at 8:59:02 AM permalink
I can't wait until the cheapskates figure out they can park for free at Rio and take a shuttle to the Strip.
I suspect the powers that be think this will keep hotel guests from visiting other casinos, making them captive audiences.
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November 30th, 2016 at 9:22:45 AM permalink
The only way these, or other fees, are going away is when folks vote with their feet. The Strip is becoming (has become) all corporate and expense account driven. As soon as the next recession comes and one casino eliminates the parking fee, they'll all follow like sheep.

Until then, I'll be at non-strip casinos, for the most part.
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November 30th, 2016 at 9:23:43 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


Auuuugggggghhh!

I hope their customers punish them for this.

Stupid bean counters.



The current issue of Casino Journal (p. 18) reports that 77% of Las Vegas visitors come to gamble. But, 90% come for other reasons in addition to gambling. So, if you're there for a convention or meeting, parking fees are a reimbursable expense. If you're there for a wedding or to see your favorite performer, the parking fee is just one small expense on top of the cost for your hotel room, meals, drinks, show tix, etc.

But, the same Casino Journal article noted that parking garages are the non-gaming amenity that generated the most income for casinos, increasing casino drop by 74%. (Yup. Surprised me, too.) Given this, I would assume casinos would embrace free parking.

I think any casino in Biloxi (where I most often play) would be signing its own death warrant by instituting a "pay for parking" program. I hope that's what happens to Vegas casinos with the same mind-set.
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November 30th, 2016 at 9:55:04 AM permalink
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November 30th, 2016 at 10:27:22 AM permalink
Remember when CET said it would never ever, not ever ever ever charge those stinking resort fees? And then they started doing so. I think they were taking a similar approach with the parking fees. They were waiting to see if it cost MGM any business. Since it didn't, they decided it was safe to emulate them.

Will it hurt them? I don't think so. The Strip is a terrible value anyway. Tourists and ploppies flock to it because of the glamor and hype. If they can be conditioned to $14 beers, $20 sandwiches, $30/night resort fees (paying for, among other things, the presence of a pool and the availability of valet parking), 6:5 blackjack, slots with 85% return, $250 to see Celine Dion, etc. etc. etc.---then will they swallow another $10 a day to park? You betcha!

(By the way, if you visit a Strip casino this month, ask for a reduction in the resort fee because the pool is closed. Hilarity will ensue.)
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November 30th, 2016 at 10:55:44 AM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

(By the way, if you visit a Strip casino this month, ask for a reduction in the resort fee because the pool is closed. Hilarity will ensue.)



I stayed at the MGM Grand last week. The pool was still open. It was funny to see the lifeguards basically bundled up in winter clothes while a few people swam below them.
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November 30th, 2016 at 11:03:51 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

I stayed at the MGM Grand last week. The pool was still open. It was funny to see the lifeguards basically bundled up in winter clothes while a few people swam below them.



Yea, there are few that stay open year round. I remember talking to some Canadians on Christmas Day at the Flamingo years ago who were swimming. 55 must have seemed warm to them.
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November 30th, 2016 at 11:21:33 AM permalink
Come on down to the the Lucky Club where parking is complimentary.
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November 30th, 2016 at 11:37:11 AM permalink
What about regular parking? Idgaf about valet. I want free parking. Do 7* & diamond get that? If not it's BS.
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November 30th, 2016 at 11:38:27 AM permalink
Quote: RS

What about regular parking? Idgaf about valet. I want free parking. Do 7* & diamond get that? If not it's BS.

I was thinking the same... Diamond and above shouldn't have to worry about this. If you're going to comp the ~$30/night resort fee's, I'm sure the $5 parking could be taken care of too. All the more reason to then promote Diamond/etc.
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November 30th, 2016 at 11:42:46 AM permalink
I don't like the having to swipe cards to get free parking, since it could affect ADT....
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November 30th, 2016 at 11:45:14 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I can't wait until the cheapskates figure out they can park for free at Rio and take a shuttle to the Strip.


At least until somebody actually staying at the Rio complains that he couldn't get on the shuttle because it was full, thanks to all of the non-guests parking there, after which the Rio starts charging for non-guest parking.
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November 30th, 2016 at 2:07:36 PM permalink
Article says self parking will be free for Platinum and higher. If you are a regular at CET, I can't imagine not having a platinum card.
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November 30th, 2016 at 2:51:21 PM permalink
Are we going to complain that the cost of bread is no longer .10 or gas is not .49? Inflation is a part of every business and casinos have to figure out where to get extra revenue or there will be no vegas. I have no problems with the extra fees and if I do then I can visit bilioxi or tunica.
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November 30th, 2016 at 2:53:20 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

I don't like the having to swipe cards to get free parking, since it could affect ADT....



There are enough abandoned cards on the floor. Maybe an AP opportunity to sell abandoned Platinum and Diamond cards. Or, just hang out in the parking garage and charge people $5 per swipe, they will be happy to save $5.
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November 30th, 2016 at 3:25:22 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Are we going to complain that the cost of bread is no longer .10 or gas is not .49? Inflation is a part of every business and casinos have to figure out where to get extra revenue or there will be no vegas. I have no problems with the extra fees and if I do then I can visit bilioxi or tunica.




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November 30th, 2016 at 3:54:15 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Are we going to complain that the cost of bread is no longer .10 or gas is not .49? Inflation is a part of every business and casinos have to figure out where to get extra revenue or there will be no vegas. I have no problems with the extra fees and if I do then I can visit bilioxi or tunica.



Have you given into the Dark Side of the Force? Perhaps assimilated by The Borg? You must be inside of the Casinos that have Muted Tones, isn't that what you said, huh? Huh? I can't hear you. Wait, wait a minute. There it is. Blended in, at a subsonic level, like some kind of mantra: "Lose, Lose, Lose!" Maybe in your case... "Pay For Parking, Don't Drink Too Much, Leave Your Wallet At The Door!
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November 30th, 2016 at 4:07:47 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Are we going to complain that the cost of bread is no longer .10 or gas is not .49? Inflation is a part of every business and casinos have to figure out where to get extra revenue or there will be no vegas. I have no problems with the extra fees and if I do then I can visit bilioxi or tunica.



Bad analogy. Parking is changing from being a free amenity to something that you have to pay for. It's more like having to pay for drinks even when you're gambling, or having to pay a surcharge for silverware and plates at the buffet.

I tremble and weep at the poor casinos not achieving their revenue goals. With Vegas visitation at an all-time high, if the casinos aren't making beaucoup bucks, they're doing something seriously wrong. They don't need to keep adding fees and charges to everything--that could well turn out to be unprofitable in the long run as some people will be turned off by being nickel and dimed to death.
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November 30th, 2016 at 4:25:18 PM permalink
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Made me laugh out loud. Thanks!
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November 30th, 2016 at 7:18:09 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

that could well turn out to be unprofitable in the long run as some people will be turned off by being nickel and dimed to death.

Benny Binion is rolling in his grave.

I remember wandering into a casino and just standing a few feet inside the door and off to the side so as to let my eyes adjust from bright sun to interior darkness and air conditioning. This shadow approached me and offered me a free cocktail. I'm on the perimeter, I've just been there not yet ten seconds and some one is offering me a free drink!

Where are the snows of yesteryear?

CET wants to slice the grape and sell grape slivers. Other places have bean counters too but at least the other joints draw the line somewhere.

I swear... one of these days I'm going to go to a game store and buy a rack and a whole lot of plain black chips. Then I'll enter a casino cuddling a Rack of Blacks and those Tray Lizards will no longer ignore me and those parking lot attendants will actually start to show a little respect. As long as I don't try to bet them, I should be okay.
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November 30th, 2016 at 7:21:37 PM permalink
Friends of ours are going to Vegas next March for a convention. They asked if we wanted to go with them. They'll be on the strip (expenses paid) and I said I had no desire to go. 6/5 BJ and high resort fees even before this latest extra! Can't see me wanting to go to Vegas, especially the strip, anytime soon.
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November 30th, 2016 at 7:37:26 PM permalink
To me it's not about bean counters, it's about dominating the market, using unfair business practices, seeming to collude. If every casino was independently owned and operated, these things could not be pulled off. It's a nasty way to reduce free play by charging to use the free play essentially. They're really just kicking out the poor and the broke. The showgirls need to picket again. Lol.
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November 30th, 2016 at 7:53:39 PM permalink
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Made me laugh out loud. Thanks!



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December 1st, 2016 at 3:53:55 AM permalink
Someone on another forum made a good post claiming the real target is taking valet wages and making them profits. Valets are outsourced to a new company and the current employees are to be fired. Basically, $70,000 jobs become $30,000 jobs with the difference in casino pockets. Tips are a lot lower when a customer already forks over so much to the casino.
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December 1st, 2016 at 11:54:37 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Someone on another forum made a good post claiming the real target is taking valet wages and making them profits. Valets are outsourced to a new company and the current employees are to be fired. Basically, $70,000 jobs become $30,000 jobs with the difference in casino pockets. Tips are a lot lower when a customer already forks over so much to the casino.



I know that at MGM properties all employees were offered jobs at the same pay and same seniority levels with the new company. My understanding from a close friend is that their tips are down over 30% but he still considers it a good paying job. Although he loved it, he knew they were making too much money for the service provided. When young under-educated kids are making $75k for parking cars the gravy train can't last.
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December 1st, 2016 at 3:22:53 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Are we going to complain that the cost of bread is no longer .10 or gas is not .49? Inflation is a part of every business and casinos have to figure out where to get extra revenue or there will be no vegas. I have no problems with the extra fees and if I do then I can visit bilioxi or tunica.



I would not chalk it up to inflation, I blame it more on the over-intellectualizing of American business. The casino business is straightforward. Get them in the door. Get them playing. Keep them playing. The old greats knew this. This is why the free parking and free drinks existed in the first place.

Today there is too much trying to reinvent the wheel. Track free drinks. Track this, track that. Someone looks at all those cars and sees all those dollars. A Benny Binion or Frank Rosenthal knew that money spent in the lot is money not spent on the floor. Today's managers do not think that way.

Of course, it is no longer even mostly about gaming. Shops, food, nightclubs are ruling now. Charging for parking just makes me less consider another trip.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 7:36:20 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Are we going to complain that the cost of bread is no longer .10 or gas is not .49? Inflation is a part of every business and casinos have to figure out where to get extra revenue or there will be no vegas. I have no problems with the extra fees and if I do then I can visit bilioxi or tunica.



I don't think anyone argues against inflation, but it doesn't apply when trying to justify their greed. Yes, a loaf of bread cost 10 cents at one point. You paid your dime and got your loaf of bread. Now, we as casino consumers are charged $1.... we should still get the same loaf of bread. Instead, casinos now are charging more money and scaling back payouts and benefits to the gambler, and justify it via "inflation."
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December 30th, 2016 at 1:02:29 AM permalink
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Of course, it is no longer even mostly about gaming. Shops, food, nightclubs are ruling now.

Three major profit models for casinos now
(1) Las Vegas: 50% gambling (90% slots, 10% tables), 50% other
(2) Reno & Most Indian casinos: 90% gambling (90% slots, 10% tables), 10% other
(3) Macau: 90% high-end baccarat, 10% other

Quote: ams288

I stayed at the MGM Grand last week. The pool was still open. It was funny to see the lifeguards basically bundled up in winter clothes while a few people swam below them.

Cosmopolitan has an ice rink & swimming pool open on the roof...right next to each other. Never seen this before. $20 for non-hotel guests.
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December 30th, 2016 at 4:06:56 AM permalink
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Of course, it is no longer even mostly about gaming. Shops, food, nightclubs are ruling now. Charging for parking just makes me less consider another trip.

MBAs don't care much about the grumbling; they know the diehards will grumble and pay the fee, whatever it is for.

6:5 caused grumbling, resort fees caused grumbling, drunken invasions at club-closing time caused grumbling. Heck, some people even grumbled about stripper poles and bikinis in the Party Pits and the explicit Cleavage Tax rules.

Grumble away .... MBAs just don't care. Everything is short term bottom-line oriented.
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December 30th, 2016 at 4:32:04 AM permalink
All about the trusts. They get away with stuff because we let too few have too much power. They're not trusts, but they act like trusts, so I say trusts. Casinos, pills, airlines, whatever, all the same.

Every few years, we need a merger, we need deregulation, we need laws changed, we need tax breaks, and if not thousands will die and lose jobs. Then they get it and more people suffer high costs than the value saved of the jobs. Nothing is given back.
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March 31st, 2017 at 3:01:50 AM permalink
March 30, 2017: Caesars begins charging some guests for self-parking at Las Vegas properties
http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/caesars-begins-charging-some-guests-self-parking-las-vegas-properties

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Caesars Entertainment began charging customers for self-parking at its Linq Hotel last week and will begin charging at Caesars Palace on Monday and at Paris Las Vegas and Bally’s on April 6, a company spokesman said.

People with a Nevada driver’s license are exempt from paying by scanning the barcode on the back of their licenses at the entry gate. In addition, parking is free for all customers for the first hour for people making a quick stop.

High-level members of the company’s Total Rewards loyalty club — Platinum, Diamond and Seven Stars — also will be able to park free in valet or self-parking.

Unlike MGM Resorts properties where guests are able to pay a flat rate to park at any property, Caesars guests will have to pay extra if they move their cars to a different Caesars property.

The company plans to charge for parking at The Cromwell, Harrah’s Las Vegas and the Flamingo, but hasn’t set a timetable to start. No plan has been announced for self-parking at Planet Hollywood, which shares a parking garage with the Miracle Mile Shops. The off-Strip Rio property owned by Caesars won’t have paid parking.

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