Can someone do the math on this game?
7-5-4-3-2-1 for the normal hands but 4OAK 5-k pays 125, with 4OAK 2-4 paying 250 and four Aces pays 500.
Here is where it gets interesting Straight flush pays 250 for Clubs, 500 for Spades, 1000 for Diamonds and 2,000 for Hearts.
A Royal pays 4,000.
Game might be called Bonanza Pay, but I can't find it anywhere.
The topper is glass, so it may have some age to it. Most modern slot tops are plastic.
(i.e. 4OAK is really 25/50/100, the SFs are 50/100/200/400, and the RF is the usual 800?)
Somebody else might have to help you out with this one, at least for now; I'll be away for a couple of weeks (including four days - well, 3 days and 4 nights - in Vegas; I'll be the guy taking the bus...)
Interestingly, I came across another with the same payout but the pay window for the five coin Royal was blank. Furthur examination shows the first one also has a blank window, with a plastic 4,000 printed and taped to it from behind.
They have serial numbers but no brand. I have similar tops from IGT so I think these are,as well.
Quote: billryanYes, the "normal hands" are listed single coin, while the premiums are five coin.
Interestingly, I came across another with the same payout but the pay window for the five coin Royal was blank. Furthur examination shows the first one also has a blank window, with a plastic 4,000 printed and taped to it from behind.
They have serial numbers but no brand. I have similar tops from IGT so I think these are,as well.
The blank spots were used to have interchangeable graphics, so you could configure the machine as a progressive.
Quote: billryanI don't think it was a progressive as much as some casinos may have paid more for the Royal.
Full-pay Joker Wild has an almost identical return and I think was somewhat widely available years ago with a 4700-coin royal, boosting the return to 101.0%.
Your game has the complication of requiring a different strategy for each suit, but that wouldn't discourage me from playing it if available.
Quote: HugoSlaviaFull-pay Joker Wild has an almost identical return and I think was somewhat widely available years ago with a 4700-coin royal, boosting the return to 101.0%.
Your game has the complication of requiring a different strategy for each suit, but that wouldn't discourage me from playing it if available.
I have a couple of those, as well.
Quote: MaxPenWizard's analyzer comes up with 100.6601% when playing 5 coins.
Which game on the Wizard's site lets you enter separate values for suited straight flushes?
Quote: MaxPenWizard's analyzer comes up with 100.6601% when playing 5 coins.
Thank you.
Quote: ThatDonGuyWhich game on the Wizard's site lets you enter separate values for suited straight flushes?
There isn't one. He used the average prize for a SF and a Bonus Poker style game to get the 100.66% figure, which of course is a little less than optimal.
I just analyzed the game with optimal strategy and came up with a return of 100.896%.
Quote: ThatDonGuyWhich game on the Wizard's site lets you enter separate values for suited straight flushes?
I just averaged the 4 suit pays together as you are just likely to make a straight flush in either suit. Maybe I am wrong to do that.
Quote: MaxPenI just averaged the 4 suit pays together as you are just likely to make a straight flush in either suit.
Optimally, you would play more aggressively for the straight flush in a higher-paying suit. Apparently the overall return can be approximated by averaging the individual returns for each suit (98.94% for clubs, 99.5% for spades, 100.85% for diamonds, and 104.29% for hearts).
Quote: MaxPenI just averaged the 4 suit pays together as you are just likely to make a straight flush in either suit. Maybe I am wrong to do that.
That’s wrong. You’re far more likely to get a hearts SF than a clubs SF (or whatever the 2k vs 250 coins SFs are).
I don’t know exactly how to do it, other than run it on different software that allows for it. But I would probably run it on WOO for all 4 paytables, then average all the returns. That still technically wouldn’t be right, either, but I think it’d get closer to the actual return.
It's fine that you did it like that, as long as you knew/know it wasn't going to be 100% accurate.Quote: MaxPenI just averaged the 4 suit pays together as you are just likely to make a straight flush in either suit. Maybe I am wrong to do that.
Quote: JBThere isn't one. He used the average prize for a SF and a Bonus Poker style game to get the 100.66% figure, which of course is a little less than optimal.
I just analyzed the game with optimal strategy and came up with a return of 100.896%.
I finally got my modified analyzer working (it took me forever to find a mistake involving counting 4-card-discard plays), and I confirm that number.
Quote: RSThat’s wrong. You’re far more likely to get a hearts SF than a clubs SF (or whatever the 2k vs 250 coins SFs are).
I don’t know exactly how to do it, other than run it on different software that allows for it. But I would probably run it on WOO for all 4 paytables, then average all the returns. That still technically wouldn’t be right, either, but I think it’d get closer to the actual return.
why is it wrong? the RNG of the machine and the code itself doesn't care, and each hand is dealt from an independently shuffled 52-card deck, is it not (assuming these are class III machines) ?
the combinatorics of dealing five cards from a 52-card deck after a shuffle and drawing {0-5} more to arrive at a final destination five card hand, for which payout is evaluated via LUT -- how does this facilitate the player being "more likely" to get a hearts SF than a clubs SF?
Quote: loldongswhy is it wrong? the RNG of the machine and the code itself doesn't care, and each hand is dealt from an independently shuffled 52-card deck, is it not (assuming these are class III machines) ?
the combinatorics of dealing five cards from a 52-card deck after a shuffle and drawing {0-5} more to arrive at a final destination five card hand, for which payout is evaluated via LUT -- how does this facilitate the player being "more likely" to get a hearts SF than a clubs SF?
I think he is referring to the use of optimal strategy related to the different suits as it would change as the payback for the hand increases.
Which finishing hand is more likely in 9/6 JoB. A♠️ K♠️ Q♠️ J♠️ 10♠️ or A♠️ 2♠️ 3♠️ 4♠️ 5♠️?
