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September 6th, 2017 at 6:25:03 PM permalink
IANAL. My best understanding is the law does not prohibit a piece of paper with strategy on it. In fact, many casinos sell them in their gift shop to use at their games.

Electronic devices are prohibited. How strictly and strongly they enforce such, I don't know. Certainly everybody uses their phones at the machines. If they observe you punching in hands to an analyzer, I expect they could ask you to leave or worse.

That's why I said print it out and carry a hard copy.
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September 6th, 2017 at 7:08:36 PM permalink
FYI all of my information is for Vegas only!

Let's ask other questions... what looks worse than you looking at your phone or printed chart or punching in hands to analyze?

1. Players that wear huge headphones at the machine and bring a cooler. (Guilty)

2. Players that play one machine for 8 to 12 hours and hardly leave the machine. (Guilty)

3. Players who bring bottles of water to the bar and never order from the bartender while banging out some 3x Royal Progressive and get upset at the bartender when they keep getting asked if they want something to drink. (Sorta Guilty)

4. Players who get nasty with the slot attendants and don't tip on hand pays ever. (Done this a few times as well)

5. Players who play two machines as fast as possible and don't order drinks or go to the bathroom. (Guilty)

Many other things to list but I'll stop here. Honestly nobody cares if your looking at porn on your phone or looking up some hold on your phone. Nobody cares if your looking at a strategy chart for VP or texting your friend. Too much paranoia on this site and in the real world at times for me. I have actually played BJ with a strategy chart next to me for fun. As BBB said they sell them in the Gift Shop. I have actually messed with the floor and dealers telling them I am counting cards while drinking double Johnny Walkers.

Players don't get in trouble for looking at strategy charts or holds up on the phone. They usually get in trouble for doing some shady things like abusing promotions, leaving hands on machines so they can switch later, running 40 people through the club and many other things that aren't exactly kosher but are necessary if you want to make some easy money with low risk of trouble.

I see basically the same advice given from the few posts in here and the consensus is to print up your strategy. My friend swears by practicing on the computer for 15 mins a day to learn/stay sharp but I have always practiced in the Casino and when I got stuck I looked up the hold. I remember when the Book wouldn't allow cell phones but they finally had to give in on that law/rule. Same thing goes for your phone and machines... nobody cares about you and your cell phone.

Quote: billryan

In Bob Dancers class, he recommends being discrete when using these types of charts in casinos. Has anyone ever had a problem?



I personally have never had a problem with any charts. I would like to know why this person isn't as discreet when he has his monthly dinner and another person has him look at a list of players and isn't so discreet about suggesting who they might want to watch. I'd also like to know why years ago when this person was going around town teaching classes it didn't seem they were so discreet the next day when he left and all the Full Pay machines were all cut? I might be a little bitter about that so forgive me if I offend.
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RS
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September 7th, 2017 at 12:00:46 AM permalink
IANAL,

But I haven't seen anything saying strictly using an electronic device is illegal. From what I remember, it says it's illegal if you're using it to cheat or gain an advantage or something along those lines....I don't remember it verbatim. I don't think the word electronic/electrical/etc. is used, just simply a device. I don't see how a strategy chart on your phone or on paper would be any different.

Of course, typing in hands into a calculator murks up the waters and I believe it can be argued both ways (to be legal and illegal).



Learn the strategy and play it. If you are so bad at the game you have to look at the strategy chart frequently, you don't know it well enough -- go home and learn it. If you're looking at it very infrequently for only those really confusing hands (like the AJT5 suited, K off in JOB), you're giving up hardly nothing if you play that hand and similar hands incorrectly, assuming you're playing the best or next-best hand (ie: and not something stupid like K only). If you want to perfect your strategy, then either remember the confusing hands or write them down or something like that, so you can analyze it later and learn it better.


The only time off the top of my head that I'd recommend using a strategy chart is if you got last second notice on a play with a wonky strategy and it's a short-time thing where it'll be gone by the end of the day or a few hours or whatever (ie: not enough time to learn the strategy).


I played a game a while back that had a pretty weird strategy. Always hold 4 card SF's, 3 card SF over 4 to straight, hold all high pairs over two pairs, always hold 3 of a kinds over full house, and I think hold TJQ/JQK suited over a dealt straight, and I think some others I don't remember (probably sh*t like 34 suited and 9T suited)....those were deviations from normal strategy on a game that already has a weird strategy...so it was a bit confusing to say the least, but even that was relatively simple compared to something, like say, 8/8/8 AA (or w/e the full pay version is).
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September 7th, 2017 at 1:50:00 AM permalink
You know what game is messed up is Triple Treys. WTF at the strategy on that game
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September 7th, 2017 at 3:54:12 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

What pat hands are you talking about? Are you talking about stuff like dealt straights and flushes vs 4 cars str8 flushes?



yes this
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September 7th, 2017 at 8:31:06 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

yes this

Assuming non wild games, under normal conditions you will never be tossing out pat flushes or straights for straight flush draws. Most of the time you would keep all dealt full houses(see exceptions for bonus games that have premium 4 of a kinds).

As far as pay pairs VS 3 card Royal draws, that's going to depend on what game you are playing .On JOB and bonus poker you will normally be holding the pay pair. With Double/triple Bonus variants it will depend on various factors, even then, it will change depending on what 3 card royal, and or, the pay pair you have( such as aces).

I don't know what other pat hands you would be referring to(I can't think of any that don't seem obvious).
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September 7th, 2017 at 8:43:32 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

You know what game is messed up is Triple Treys. WTF at the strategy on that game

Give up the 1% and use the auto hold. You would be giving up way more than 1% playing it on the fly. IIRC you toss out pairs and do other crazy stuff for even just a lone 3.

Its a fun game when you are catching the three 3's and entering the bonus round, not so much when you cant seem to do that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 7th, 2017 at 6:53:57 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Give up the 1% and use the auto hold. You would be giving up way more than 1% playing it on the fly. IIRC you toss out pairs and do other crazy stuff for even just a lone 3.

Its a fun game when you are catching the three 3's and entering the bonus round, not so much when you cant seem to do that.



That sounds like a Spielo game called, "Triple Ace Poker," do you guys have a paytable and how the Bonus works?
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