MrV
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January 29th, 2011 at 11:59:22 PM permalink
Interesting trip report.

I am very curious about Macao, and would welcome as much description from you about the people, the place, as you are willing to provide.

How do the Wynn and Adelson properties compare to their Las Vegas counterparts?

The gambling: what are the popular games that the people are playing (other than baccarat)?

Are there many Westerners gambling in the casinos?
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mkl654321
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January 30th, 2011 at 12:41:52 AM permalink
What I'm curious about is, are the casinos absolutely packed with seething masses of humanity? Does Macao resemble an anthill after an earthquake?

Also, do multiple people bet on the same spots, like they do in Asian games in California (creating a complete mob scene as twenty or more players crowd around the same table)?
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January 30th, 2011 at 1:09:13 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321



Also, do multiple people bet on the same spots, like they do in Asian games in California



I would never go to Macau, Asians are generally rude to people outside their race, who needs it. I lived in Hawaii for 6 months in the 70's and never saw so much racism in my life, its why I left. I know a guy I went to high school with who's lived there for 30 years and he says you learn to accept the overt racism. Speak for yourself..
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January 30th, 2011 at 1:14:12 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

What I'm curious about is, are the casinos absolutely packed with seething masses of humanity? Does Macao resemble an anthill after an earthquake?

Also, do multiple people bet on the same spots, like they do in Asian games in California (creating a complete mob scene as twenty or more players crowd around the same table)?



I was there last year during the Chinese New Year and it was so packed I could barely walk. The place is so packed casinos can afford to not be generous on comps. My relative lost over HK$100K at the Wynn and they could not even find him a room; he wanted a limo to get back to his hotel to take more cash but they said he had to take a taxi. He also had to pay for his two dinner at the Wynn even though he gave them a lot of action. People usually bet on the same spot if the table is 'hot' or if they want to bet less than the minimum. Like I said earlier I once saw a table that got 12 banker wins in a row and there were so many people betting on each spot it was difficult for the dealer to calculate who won what (the dealers here split the win if several people bet on a spot). Chinese games like Sic Bo do not have seats because they are usually crowded and most of the table usually ride the biggest better. I would say the ratio foreigner-Asian is around 99-1 in most casinos. If you go play poker the ratio gets closer to 50-50 but table games are dominated by Asians.

Other than baccarat you can so find Chinese games like Sic Bo, Fan Tan and Pai Gow. There are also a few blackjack and carribean poker tables. I think even the big casinos only have 1-2 craps tables and a couple of roulette wheels since these aren't very popular here. If you are willing to play automated games on a screen then you can find a lot of different games but the choice of actual table games are rather limited.
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January 30th, 2011 at 11:05:49 AM permalink
Is it true that Asians don't give slot machines a lot of play, that they mostly play table games?

Big difference between Macao and Las Vegas, if true.
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January 30th, 2011 at 11:33:24 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Is it true that Asians don't give slot machines a lot of play, that they mostly play table games?

Big difference between Macao and Las Vegas, if true.



In 2010, 72% of Macau's gaming revenue came from high limit baccarat, 18.6% came from mass-market baccarat, 5.4% from slot machines, 1.9% from Sic Bo, 1.2% from blackjack and the rest was shared by all the remaining games. Most of the slot players I've seen in Macau looked like compulsive gamblers so I was never tempted to approach these machines. Money also goes too fast through these; in baccarat I can take 2 minutes to bend a card over and it just makes everyone more excited but taking 2 minutes to hit a button would look quite stupid.
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January 30th, 2011 at 11:23:17 PM permalink
I got something like 690 points last year which entitled me to a choice of some small rewards from the gift shop at the Venetian. I chose 6 ball pens, nicely presented in gift packs with the Venetian logo on them. They retailed in the shop for HK$98 each, so about HK$600 worth of rewards. I gave them to friends for Xmas gifts. The previous year I took a set of towels (one large, one small) for a lesser amount of points.
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January 30th, 2011 at 11:32:19 PM permalink
I have not been to Vegas, only casinos in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and Macau so cannot give you a comparison.

I find the Macau people quite pleasant and friendly. I have been going to Sands Macau for maybe 4 years and even though the trips are months apart, I still get recognised and greeted by some of the regulars. In fact some even vacate a seat at the air ball roulette if none are available, and let me play.

There are few Westerners playing anything at least in the public areas. It would be 95% Chinese, and in that I include the locals who are Chinese bred living in Macau, rather than visitors from China or Hong Kong. I do see Japanese and Koreans there also but not many. Westerners are few and far between at least in the public areas.

The baccarat dominates to a huge extent, roulette has followers and the slots are generally under utilised. There is Sic-bo (played with 3 large dice) either manually operated or in a machine similar to air ball roulette. Blackjack is probably second favourite behind baccarat.
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January 30th, 2011 at 11:36:47 PM permalink
The casinos are large enough to not be overcrowded, but I have not been there at Chinese New Year which I would expect to be very busy. The Venetian is the largest casino on earth and it never seems to struggle to cater for the visitors. There are always tables under utilised when I have been there.

Yes some tables (in baccarat) are very busy and have 30 or 50 people playing, but it adds excitement and I have not seen it out of control.

Asians, especially Chinese are obviously used to crowds and they seem to manage without any agrivation.
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January 30th, 2011 at 11:39:24 PM permalink
Yes absolutely true Mr V.

Its all about what Asians perceive they can have some control over, and slots are just predetermined chance. There is no room to decide a bet as in the other games.

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