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coachbelly
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November 26th, 2020 at 9:15:35 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Losing High roller says to host: "I need a printout showing that I am a winning player or my wife isn't going to allow me to gamble any more". He would have that documentation in about 60 seconds.



Do you have first-hand knowledge of this ever happening, or is it conjecture?
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November 26th, 2020 at 9:16:31 PM permalink
KewlJ is not only calling me a liar, but presenting his own alternate theory of what must have happened - saying I must have lost in order to be comp'ed, which flies in the face of the facts as I have presented and attested to be true. And, he won't let up and keeps repeating the same thing over and over, caling me a liar repeatedly, without any sort of direct proof whatsoever.

And he's doing this within minutes of returning from a suspension for doing the same thing ("personal insult" was calling me a liar, with the fiction remark).
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November 26th, 2020 at 9:25:39 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

KewlJ is not only calling me a liar, but presenting his own alternate theory of what must have happened - saying I must have lost in order to be comp'ed, which flies in the face of the facts as I have presented and attested to be true.



Not only is he accusing you of organizing a grand conspiracy to lie about your results, he is casting aspersions on casino personnel that he cannot name....as if he knows that every casino host and hotel agent would be willing to accept a bribe to fabricate documents, and are able to do so.
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November 26th, 2020 at 9:28:45 PM permalink
So, Wynn luxury boutique shopping is based on theoretical. If you are only getting 1k then most of not all of what you are saying is really hard to comprehend . I am not sure how to post photos but I get 3k in shopping and do not play at the same level that you have said you do.
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November 26th, 2020 at 9:34:32 PM permalink
You'd have to be living in some kind of shadow world to believe that a casino in this day and age, especially a public company, would fabricate or alter hotel bills and win/loss statements. I mean, let's say I was a slots player, the win/loss statements often reflect W-2Gs, so now I suppose these guys think that the casino would alter reports to the IRS.

I posted some photos of the TV screens in my suite to show that all room food beverage and spa services were comp'ed - it's ridiculous to think that this sort of thing would or could be altered by the hotel staff - only casino marketing has the power to comp anything off a player's bill, and it is only comp'ed based on play.

Anyone who thinks along those conspiracy lines probably doesn't have much experience with casinos other than perhaps in hiding from them and avoiding them.

Along the same lines is thinking that the only way to get comp'ed is to lose. Which again, I have stated categorically that I both won and was comp'ed so anyone who challenges that should present direct proof to contradict my testimony, or realize that he is calling me a liar without anything to back it up.
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November 26th, 2020 at 9:36:04 PM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

So, Wynn luxury boutique shopping is based on theoretical. If you are only getting 1k then most of not all of what you are saying is really hard to comprehend . I am not sure how to post photos but I get 3k in shopping and do not play at the same level that you have said you do.



As I posted, for this particular Wynn luxury boutique I was told that my maximum was 1000 no matter what. Scroll up and you'll see that straight from the horse's - the host's - mouth. There was a different luxury boutique about a year ago I think it was, where they presented the goods in person on the floor and laid out a full buffet and free drinks, and the sky was the limit on that one. Maybe not the sky, but much higher than 1000.

So unless you are in Vegas RIGHT NOW (since last Monday) you may not participate in this luxury boutique and you wouldn't know about its limits. It is based on play during the period starting Monday, 11/16. After I put in some monster play that Monday, I texted the host and asked if I played more if I would get more for the luxury boutique, and he said no that 1000 was the limit for this one.

It is possible that the way it works is that you come in with some base points (in my case 500), which was all I could get since I hadn't even played at this casino for almost a year. And then additional play could at most double it, in my case, to 1000. I dunno I don't pin down the host on every little silly thing, as I'm more concerned with winning at the tables. At this one resort alone, not to mention the two immediately prior fully comp'ed stays at the two other resorts we were at since very early October, my host comp'ed us at this third resort alone to the tune of almost fifty grand in suites, food and spa, letting us stay for almost forty nights in a relatively large (1300 sq. ft.) suite, so I am not going to try to nibble him to death like ducks over much else. But he flat out told me I was maxed out at 1000 no matter how much more I played. I posted the actual text from the host above if you are so interested you may scroll up and see it.
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November 26th, 2020 at 9:36:10 PM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

I get 3k in shopping



Are you willing to post photos if MDawg can explain how to do that?
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November 26th, 2020 at 10:07:10 PM permalink
It's interesting because either things have changed (post coronavirus), or this casino we were at is quite different from another major we stayed at a year or so ago.

On that stay, at the other casino, also very high end and on the Strip, the host got peeved that we stayed so long, and it wasn't even all THAT long - only about two weeks. He said, "NOBODY stays two weeks at the _______." He pointed out that he had _____ players with million dollar lines who wouldn't stay that long.

But this time, this casino, which is just as if not even higher end, the host kept mentioning that "We have availability" every time I even mentioned staying on. Come to think of it, the host at the first casino we stayed at this trip, also very high end, had the same attitude every time I asked to be extended. "No problem."

Usually, I stay about ten days per resort - I figure they don't want me there much longer, in that I'm not losing and I'm (usually) not even putting in the full four hours a day at the tables. But this time, they never seemed to tire of me even though I never was negative not at any point during the trip. I did dump heavily one day though, as mentioned above and outlined carefully at the truepassage forum - I did one day dump almost all my winnings. Maybe that gave them hope. Over all though, I think they just let me stay based on the theoretical loss, but even then at some point they had to figure that even if I were completely wiped out they still could only get so much from me unless I paid off the line and came back for more.
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November 27th, 2020 at 3:25:07 AM permalink
For the record, I donít see how saying ďI donít believe the claims as statedĒ can be reasonably construed as a personal insult as applied on this forum.

For one, it keeps to the Golden posting rule here: comment on the post, not the poster.
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November 27th, 2020 at 4:52:22 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I was not aware of the no mentioning other forums rule. I guess that is on me, so I accept that. However, I reject that "fiction" is a personal insult. I did not say liar. MDawg used that word not me. I am saying I don't believe his claims and story as stated. And I don't believe them because they defy the mathematics. That opinion is my right and is not an insult.


Mike I don't know what is going on here that you won't call this guy out. His claims as stated defy the math, just as much as seeing 18 yo's in a row, just as much as Rob Singer's claims of winning millions using progressive wagering to overcome -EV, just as much as the frequent people that show up here touting martingale. You call all these people out because their claims defy the math involved. Yet with MDawg you say nothing. Mike you are the gambling math expert. Your reputation is all about the math. What you don't say matters just as much as what you do say in this kind of situation.

I accept that MDawg is a high roller and bets a lot and loses a lot and that because he loses more than he wins the casinos comp him generously. But the idea that he wins nearly every session and every day as he claims is bogus. Most of us here, including you Mike, know how the casino industry works. The simply are not comping a guy high end suites for 5-6 weeks at a time, that shows wins on every trip. Ridiculous! Now if you need to suspend or ban me, because I don't believe these claims AS STATED, that defy math, you do what you need to do.



You got suspended because you said MDawg was a "fiction writer." My interpretation of that is someone who deliberately writes stories that they know are not true. Since MDawg passes them off as true, that makes your comment logically equivalent to calling him a liar.

As to the comparison to the 18 yo's in a row, I am not saying that Alan is lying. I think he just remembers the incident incorrectly. Even he has amended his comment to say "maybe it was 17 to 19 yo's."

I don't wish to ban you for what you believe. However, freedom of speech rights are restricted here, lest the forum turn into a cesspool.

As to MDawg, I don't read his trip reports so am not familiar with exactly what he is saying. I do know he is an attorney and members of said profession are masters at twisting words to say anything they wish and still wiggle out of a perjury accusation if confronted with evidence to the contrary. In this case, he could have a loose definition of "win," to include the value of comps and entertainment.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Km5OKZlp0

In my opinion, at least 90% of self-described advantage players simply aren't. They use confirmation bias to conveniently remember and exaggerate their wins and minimize or forget their losses. Of course, I am not making this accusation about MDawg, just making a generalization. Since you press me, I'll say that anyone who truly has beaten baccarat straight up (no counting comps, loss rebates, edge sorting, etc.) has just been lucky.

Why don't you challenge him to produce a tax return showing gambling winnings? If he declines, don't you think you'll have made your point?
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