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EvenBob
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September 16th, 2011 at 5:18:06 PM permalink
Quote: avargov

I recall something about you not gambling, that you only play when you have a guaranteed win. I guess that is why you talk so much, you never step foot in a casino.



Thats true, I never gamble. Yet I play at the
casino 3-4 times a week. Odd, huh. I was
just there today and will be there Sunday.
Don't hurt yourself trying to figure it out.
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EvenBob
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September 16th, 2011 at 5:23:26 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

If such an idea takes off...To give up the idea of cover if it is no longer needed.



The idea being making the game at the counters
table a 0.00% edge game if you count perfectly,
as you stated? I'll ask you again, Dan, because you're
ignoring the question. If you can't win long term,
whats the point of any good counter playing at
such a table? I can see it being a training area for
newbies, but who wants to play a restricted game
where all you can do is break even.

Ya know?
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
avargov
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September 16th, 2011 at 6:24:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Thats true, I never gamble. Yet I play at the
casino 3-4 times a week. Odd, huh. I was
just there today and will be there Sunday.
Don't hurt yourself trying to figure it out.



Don't worry Bob, I won't. Now don't hurt yourself cleaning those ashtrays, I know SSI doesn't pay all the bills. 3 or 4 times a week my fucking ass, do they give seniors free play that much?
Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes." ~ William Gibson
EvenBob
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September 16th, 2011 at 6:33:34 PM permalink
Quote: avargov

3 or 4 times a week my fucking ass,



LOL, I warned you about trying to figure it out.
If you don't think about it, you'll stop worrying.
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buzzpaff
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September 16th, 2011 at 9:09:29 PM permalink
Back from school , but it looks like I did not miss anything. The frustrated old man is still ranting on about counters. I don't know
who I detest more, Counters who think the casinos owe them a living or dealer who think I am a cheater is I use my brain to make
a decision on how much to bet on a hand of Blackjack.
Just cut to the chase DAN, remove 4 tens from the deck, add 4 deuces . and have a Dealer BJ pay 3 to 1. Then say " Look COUNTERS, you can not beat my Blackjack. The fact of the matter is that counter can beat the game as it is played today. And yes the casinos
have the right to refuse a counter's action and back him off. A counter's winning ultimately affects a casino's ability to pay it's owner's a fair return on their investment, employee's salaries , etc. Plus counter's don't tip dealers. They see dealers as the enemy.
All that being said, if you call me a cheater again for counting, I will take it personal.
EvenBob
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September 16th, 2011 at 9:34:06 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

All that being said, if you call me a cheater again for counting, I will take it personal.



You shouldn't take it personally, and here's why.
Casinos are psychologically flawed in the way
they look at things, in a way they have a mental
illness. They really truly believe that as soon as
you walk thru their doors, all the money you have
on you and all the money you have in your bank
account is rightfully theirs, if they can just get you
to give it to them. And they try really really hard
to do that. The more innocent and naive you are,
the easier it is for them. They hate knowledgeable
players, and they especially hate players that can
beat one of their games because they're 'cheating'
the casino out of what they believe in their heart
of hearts belongs to them.

You might think I'm exaggerating, but I'm deadly
serious. When you enter the casino, they think
you've agreed to play by their rules and their rules
only, and their game is, to get as much of your money
as is humanly possible. Many pit people consider
regular winners as cheating them out of whats
theirs, and they resent the hell out of them. You
can't fight or argue with people who have a mental
impairment, like the casino does. All you can do is
play your game, keep to your own business, and
quietly leave with a profit. And hope they don't
notice you...
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Paigowdan
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September 16th, 2011 at 9:56:28 PM permalink
Bob,
You have a very, very paranoid view of casinos.
Firstly, They're just entertainment businesses, like cinemas and shows and what have you.
Secondly, you do agree to and abide by their house rules when you're in their house, as you would any other business establishments.
To build them up into some sort of evil empire is a little nutty.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
ItsCalledSoccer
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September 16th, 2011 at 10:00:51 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Bob,
You have a very, very paranoid view of casinos.
Firstly, They're just entertainment businesses, like cinemas and shows and what have you.
Secondly, you do agree to and abide by their house rules when you're in their house, as you would any other business establishments.
To build them up into some sort of evil empire is a little nutty.



I'm not commenting on whether or not Bob is paranoid, but I also don't think you can say that they're "just" entertainment businesses.

There's a vibe at casinos that just doesn't exist at other entertainment businesses. I think you said a dealer CANNOT have a criminal history; I think movie theater employees can. There's an extra security vibe or whatever that's hard to describe that's not at other entertainment businesses.

They're more than just "entertainment," although I think they're more that way than they were, say, in the 70s. Although I couldn't say what the "more" is, so that's an interesting question.
EvenBob
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September 16th, 2011 at 10:12:53 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Bob,
You have a very, very paranoid view of casinos.
Firstly, They're just entertainment businesses



Paranoid? Hardly. Realistic is more like it. They
claim to be entertainment, "Have fun while we
take your money." Is their bottom line 'how many
people did we entertain this week'? I don't think
so. Steve Wynn said it best a couple years ago.
He said the math of the games offered in his
casinos guarantee's him a certain percentage
of profit from the money wagered. And his job
was to get as many people thru his doors as
humanly possible, so the math could work its
magic. His primary objective is to separate as
much cash as he can from the players under
his roof in the shortest amount of time possible,
so they can be replaced by new suckers, er,
players. This attitude is unique in business. If
I own a grocery store, I want to give people
value for their money, so they return again
and again, and happily so. A casinos job is
to trick people with comps and cheap rooms,
and in Vegas, free booze,making them think
they're getting value, when in fact they're getting
fleeced. I wouldn't work in a casino if they paid
$50 an hour, but I will play there. But I refuse to
play any of their offered games. I bring my own
and always forget to tell them...
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
EvenBob
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September 16th, 2011 at 10:22:37 PM permalink
Quote: ItsCalledSoccer

They're more than just "entertainment," although I think they're more that way than they were, say, in the 70s. Although I couldn't say what the "more"



I'll tell what the 'more' is, its surveillance and paranoia.
In the 70's, cameras were in their infancy in casinos,
many still had catwalks and two way ceiling mirrors well
into the 80's. In the 70's, I never felt the scrutiny from
the pit that I feel now. I don't mean at me, but at everybody.
Now I have to constantly explain why I don't have a player card
and why I don't want one. In the 70's, if there were cards,
I wasn't aware of it. Casinos felt friendly in the 70's, now
they feel, well, antsy or something. Like the bottom line
is always on their minds now...
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal

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