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October 13th, 2020 at 1:22:07 PM permalink
I apologize for a question that has probably been asked before, but I'm guessing my search string was unfavorable to finding the result.
Question is, what is the HE on the Top 3 side bet (Super TriLux for the other company's variant). For those unfamiliar with the bet, it is an optional bet you can make after placing a wager on the standard 21+3. The pays are as follows:

Three of a kind--90:1
Straight Flush--180:1
Suited three of a kind--270:1

I hit the SF last night for my top odds payout ever. Was curious as to how bad of a bet it truly is. Thanks much for the assistance!

(I also didn't see anything on Wizard of Odds under the 21+3 section).
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October 13th, 2020 at 2:23:58 PM permalink
Quote: PGBuster

I apologize for a question that has probably been asked before, but I'm guessing my search string was unfavorable to finding the result.
Question is, what is the HE on the Top 3 side bet (Super TriLux for the other company's variant). For those unfamiliar with the bet, it is an optional bet you can make after placing a wager on the standard 21+3. The pays are as follows:

Three of a kind--90:1
Straight Flush--180:1
Suited three of a kind--270:1

I hit the SF last night for my top odds payout ever. Was curious as to how bad of a bet it truly is. Thanks much for the assistance!

(I also didn't see anything on Wizard of Odds under the 21+3 section).


HE on the 21+3 Top-3 side bet: https://bit.ly/3dpDOdX
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October 13th, 2020 at 2:44:42 PM permalink
Quote: PGBuster

I apologize for a question that has probably been asked before, but I'm guessing my search string was unfavorable to finding the result.
Question is, what is the HE on the Top 3 side bet (Super TriLux for the other company's variant). For those unfamiliar with the bet, it is an optional bet you can make after placing a wager on the standard 21+3. The pays are as follows:

Three of a kind--90:1
Straight Flush--180:1
Suited three of a kind--270:1

I hit the SF last night for my top odds payout ever. Was curious as to how bad of a bet it truly is. Thanks much for the assistance!

(I also didn't see anything on Wizard of Odds under the 21+3 section).



can i ask what jurisdiction you were in (aka the state that offers that game)
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October 13th, 2020 at 3:37:21 PM permalink
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can i ask what jurisdiction you were in (aka the state that offers that game)

This was in Iowa.

Thank you to the other poster for sending the link. I was expecting something horrific, in the realm of 15%. Obviously, 9% is a sucker bet too, but I find it fun to play for a chance at a good payout for hands that don't seem uncommon.

ETA: A friend of mine tells me some of the card rooms in the Seattle metro offer it as well.
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October 16th, 2020 at 4:43:13 PM permalink
This bet is offered in Indiana at Horseshoe Hammond. You have to play the other sucker bet to play the sucker bet with the big payout. I believe I have seen it in IL at Harrah's Joliet and Rivers in Des Plaines
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October 16th, 2020 at 5:59:26 PM permalink
I have a spreadsheet you can use to get the answer, but I can't post a link due to some restriction on my account. Sorry.

Probably new accounts have some sort of URL restriction to help with spam.
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October 16th, 2020 at 6:17:13 PM permalink
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I have a spreadsheet you can use to get the answer, but I can't post a link due to some restriction on my account. Sorry.

Probably new accounts have some sort of URL restriction to help with spam.



i have to say you have some cajones. what you tried to do is literally LOL worthy.
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October 17th, 2020 at 7:03:54 AM permalink
Here is the spreadsheet I created that does all the computations for the side bets, including the 21+3 side bet asked about here. This is a new bit of work, just released and it hasn't been thoroughly debugged, though all results I've tested it on agree with those publicly available. It allows for real time evaluation of the edge for these side bets while the game is in progress. It also facilitates computation of EOR's to help develop counting systems.

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October 17th, 2020 at 7:32:01 AM permalink
Quote: EliotJ

I have a spreadsheet you can use to get the answer, but I can't post a link due to some restriction on my account. Sorry.

Probably new accounts have some sort of URL restriction to help with spam.

Sorry for the trouble Mike and thanks for getting my old account back up and running.
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October 17th, 2020 at 11:21:20 AM permalink
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Sorry for the trouble Mike and thanks for getting my old account back up and running.



i really didnt believe that it was you ... sorry about the cajones thing... i thought someone was trying to be you and made the story up
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October 17th, 2020 at 1:54:36 PM permalink
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Sorry for the trouble Mike and thanks for getting my old account back up and running.



Now *there's* a name I've not heard in quite some time.
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October 17th, 2020 at 2:30:47 PM permalink
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i really didnt believe that it was you ... sorry about the cajones thing... i thought someone was trying to be you and made the story up

Yep. When I retired I made it a point to limit posting on these boards. But because of this COVID thing, my retirement got very boring, so I took up the challenge to create some new posts and products. Unfortunately, along the way my login credentials here got seriously lost. Mike had to do me a big favor to get my account working again.
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October 17th, 2020 at 2:34:53 PM permalink
The "Top 3" bet, as opposed to 21+3, has been available in several casinos in the UK. The House Edge quoted is 9% at https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/blackjacktop3.html but this assumes 8 decks, so the HE for fewer decks would be higher. The problem with the high payout is the maximum bet is usually small compared with other side-bets.
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October 17th, 2020 at 2:41:16 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

The "Top 3" bet, as opposed to 21+3, has been available in several casinos in the UK. The House Edge quoted is 9% at https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/blackjacktop3.html but this assumes 8 decks, so the HE for fewer decks would be higher. The problem with the high payout is the maximum bet is usually small compared with other side-bets.

My spreadsheet allows you to immediately compute the HE for any number of decks. But why play it at all unless you have a way to get an advantage? Unless you can do some serious shuffle tracking, the 21+3 in all of its variants is fairly immune to advantage play.

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