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teliot
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January 27th, 2017 at 2:35:18 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

with a good dealer and good eyes I could have picked it up in 15 minutes.

So much for the 30 second rule ...
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January 27th, 2017 at 3:32:10 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Do you think it is possible to gain an edge by tracking the 8's then cashing in on the side bet? There's alot of decks in the shoe.



Yes, absolutely.

I forgot to mention the bet limits. The Dragon and Tiger are $5 to $100. All others, including the Lucky 8 bets, are $1-$10, So, it wouldn't be a practical use of anybody's time.

Quote: teliot

So much for the 30 second rule ...



Yep. This was the most complicated simple game I've ever seen.
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charliepatrick
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January 27th, 2017 at 3:40:05 PM permalink
Te basic game seems to be X + Y - Z. It sounds simple but I remember playing a Blackjack Variant that had a customised deck with negative numbers and it became fairly confusing for the dealer. I can't see the advantage of playing this since (a) it's essentially like Player/Banker and (b) seems to have worse House Edge, However it's different so some people may like it - but not my cup of tea.
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:31:05 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Te basic game seems to be X + Y - Z. It sounds simple but I remember playing a Blackjack Variant that had a customised deck with negative numbers and it became fairly confusing for the dealer. I can't see the advantage of playing this since (a) it's essentially like Player/Banker and (b) seems to have worse House Edge, However it's different so some people may like it - but not my cup of tea.



Yeah, I've never seen a game with negative points before. The dealer was quite slow in doing the x+y-z calculation. I would imagine dealer errors would be a concern, at least with my dealer. I had to help her lots of times (yes, I was honest).

In other news, if my rules were not clear, here is the rack card. I don't think I've ever seen so much information conveyed on a rack card before.

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January 27th, 2017 at 5:36:26 PM permalink
According to this article Steep Hurdle For Success, training the dealers was "a bit of a challenge"...that would normally be an indicator that the game might be a bit too complex.
Ayecarumba
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:43:12 PM permalink
Since the "Tie" requires a forced "Dragon" or "Tiger" base bet that will lose if the Tie wins, should the house edge be even higher?
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:50:33 PM permalink
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According to this article Steep Hurdle For Success, training the dealers was "a bit of a challenge"...that would normally be an indicator that the game might be a bit too complex.

+1, 200%
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January 27th, 2017 at 6:57:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Since the "Tie" requires a forced "Dragon" or "Tiger" base bet that will lose if the Tie wins, should the house edge be even higher?



No. I generally analyze each bet independently. Sometimes, they are tied together, like the Ante and Blind bets in Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, in which case I analyze them at the same time.
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Ayecarumba
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January 27th, 2017 at 11:31:48 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

No. I generally analyze each bet independently. Sometimes, they are tied together, like the Ante and Blind bets in Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, in which case I analyze them at the same time.


Thanks Wizard. It is odd that the game forces a loss instead of a push. It discouurages me from playing.
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