michael99000
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October 24th, 2019 at 2:06:21 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

This one is not a zero % chance of being true. When humans are involved and money is involved sometimes greed overrides common sense. I do believe the chances of the ref being owned by someone is less than 1%. As someone has mentioned, there is a Donaghy example.
The Lions Packers game did look suspicious.





youíre committing a felony on national tv. There are millions of people watching , and you know they will show the replay 2 or 3 times , probably at least once in slow motion, and the announcers will point out that they didnít see anything that the ref claims he saw. And with gambling being so much more commonplace and widespread now , thatís going to be the first thing everyone thinks is behind this.

How much does a ref need to be paid to make that risk worth it? How large do the bets need to be that they profit enough to both make the bettor happy and pay the ref? And thereís no guarantee the ref will be in a position to make a game/spread altering call, so itís possible the huge bet just turns into a gamble. They have families and their career on the line. And how many people are in on it? How does anyone involved know that everyone else will keep quiet?
WatchMeWin
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October 24th, 2019 at 2:12:12 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

youíre committing a felony on national tv. There are millions of people watching , and you know they will show the replay 2 or 3 times , probably at least once in slow motion, and the announcers will point out that they didnít see anything that the ref claims he saw. And with gambling being so much more commonplace and widespread now , thatís going to be the first thing everyone thinks is behind this.

How much does a ref need to be paid to make that risk worth it? How large do the bets need to be that they profit enough to both make the bettor happy and pay the ref? And thereís no guarantee the ref will be in a position to make a game/spread altering call, so itís possible the huge bet just turns into a gamble. They have families and their career on the line. And how many people are in on it? How does anyone involved know that everyone else will keep quiet?



Your logic is full of naivete. I suppose OJ didn't kill Nicole either... Since he was acquitted and jury found him not guilty. Just because people don't get caught, does it mean a crime was not committed.
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AxelWolf
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October 24th, 2019 at 2:50:26 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

youíre committing a felony on national tv. There are millions of people watching , and you know they will show the replay 2 or 3 times , probably at least once in slow motion, and the announcers will point out that they didnít see anything that the ref claims he saw. And with gambling being so much more commonplace and widespread now , thatís going to be the first thing everyone thinks is behind this.

How much does a ref need to be paid to make that risk worth it? How large do the bets need to be that they profit enough to both make the bettor happy and pay the ref? And thereís no guarantee the ref will be in a position to make a game/spread altering call, so itís possible the huge bet just turns into a gamble. They have families and their career on the line. And how many people are in on it? How does anyone involved know that everyone else will keep quiet?

Or maybe it's just their favorite team. No money need to be involved.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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October 24th, 2019 at 2:53:31 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Your logic is full of naivete. I suppose OJ didn't kill Nicole either... Since he was acquitted and jury found him not guilty. Just because people don't get caught, does it mean a crime was not committed.

If you think this is going to be a widespread thing and it's happening frequently perhaps you can figure out how to turn it in your favor and make some big bucks.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 24th, 2019 at 3:41:58 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If you think this is going to be a widespread thing and it's happening frequently perhaps you can figure out how to turn it in your favor and make some big bucks.



Sure, are you offering to make a bet on whether someone will get caught or not with the over-under being 3 years? Big bucks! I will go up to 10K.

And by card I mean there must be a formal inquiry or investigation on suspected fixing of games in any or college or professional.
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AxelWolf
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October 24th, 2019 at 7:53:17 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Sure, are you offering to make a bet on whether someone will get caught or not with the over-under being 3 years? Big bucks! I will go up to 10K.

And by card I mean there must be a formal inquiry or investigation on suspected fixing of games in any or college or professional.

we've already been through this... you have yet to be willing to put any money(not even small amounts) up with a third party/escrow to hold. So even if I thought I had a positive EV bet... it wouldn't happen until you were willing to do so. If we ever make any kind of a bet... I would do so ASAP.

As far as this situation goes, I have no idea what the odds are that somebody will get caught within three years. For all I know someone's being investigated as we speak. I don't even know how many sports we are talking about. I just don't think more sports betting venues is going to move the needle all that much yet from what it is now. It's easy enough to get action down as it is. I would agree it will be a little more tempting if you or your friends just can drive a few miles away and make some bets. If somebody does get caught with in 3 years that doesn't necessarily mean it's happening significantly more than it is now. It might just mean the new jurisdictions and more people are keeping a closer eye on it making it much more likely people will get caught. What if somebody gets caught and it has nothing to do with more legalized betting locations? Perhaps all the bets were being made offshore and in Las Vegas, then what? Sure, your prediction would come true, but that would not prove anything. I think a better reason for a spike in this sort of stuff would be anonymous cryptocurrency and offshore books where you can pretty much make bets anonymously if done correctly.

Again, I'm not saying it's going to have zero effect I agree more betting venues and easier access will tempt more people to engage in point-shaving and other shenanigans.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 24th, 2019 at 9:33:24 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

. As far as this situation goes, I have no idea what the odds are that somebody will get caught within three years. For all I know someone's being investigated as we speak. I don't even know how many sports we are talking about. I just don't think more sports betting venues is going to move the needle all that much yet from what it is now. It's easy enough to get action down as it is. I would agree it will be a little more tempting if you or your friends just can drive a few miles away and make some bets. If somebody does get caught with in 3 years that doesn't necessarily mean it's happening significantly more than it is now. It might just mean the new jurisdictions and more people are keeping a closer eye on it making it much more likely people will get caught. What if somebody gets caught and it has nothing to do with more legalized betting locations? Perhaps all the bets were being made offshore and in Las Vegas, then what? Sure, your prediction would come true, but that would not prove anything. I think a better reason for a spike in this sort of stuff would be anonymous cryptocurrency and offshore books where you can pretty much make bets anonymously if done correctly.

Again, I'm not saying it's going to have zero effect I agree more betting venues and easier access will tempt more people to engage in point-shaving and other shenanigans.



Did somebody else write this post for you? It makes too much sense for it to have come from you. Either way, well said... although I disagree with your comment that the convenience of having casinos in everyone's backyard will not entice more game fixing action... it absolutely will. So how do we benefit from it? I don't believe there is a way unless you have information or possibly follow a select group of college basketball teams and monitor patterns and trends, and watch their play closely n try to spot inconsistent behavior.

You have a sharp mind for this type of activity. If you were on a college basketball team and you Hood make money by fixing some games, how would you do it? I'm not saying you would do it because you are so innocent, but if you where to do it, how would you do it?
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