charliepatrick
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November 7th, 2019 at 8:32:56 AM permalink
Having the probabilities only works if you know all the prizes. Suppose there’s a simple fruit machine with one reel 0123456789. Each number equally likely.

Simple machine
9 pays \$5
8 pays \$3
7 pays \$1
Others lose
RTP=90%

Feature machine
9 pays \$3
8 pays \$2
7 pays \$1
0 pays a feature
RTP=60%+feature

If the feature pays more than 3 then better to play the feature machine.
DRich
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November 7th, 2019 at 9:12:22 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Having the probabilities only works if you know all the prizes. Suppose there’s a simple fruit machine with one reel 0123456789. Each number equally likely.

Simple machine
9 pays \$5
8 pays \$3
7 pays \$1
Others lose
RTP=90%

Feature machine
9 pays \$3
8 pays \$2
7 pays \$1
0 pays a feature
RTP=60%+feature

If the feature pays more than 3 then better to play the feature machine.

Please show me the help screens and glass from one of these machines. I would like to look at it.
Living longer does not always infer +EV
charliepatrick
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November 7th, 2019 at 9:23:31 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Please show me the help screens and glass from one of these machines. I would like to look at it.

It is a hypothetical one based on early fruit machines which used digits .
( Picture comes from https://www.gamesroomcompany.com/mills-extraordinary-bell-one-armed-bandit )
DRich
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November 7th, 2019 at 9:54:05 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

It is a hypothetical one based on early fruit machines which used digits .
( Picture comes from https://www.gamesroomcompany.com/mills-extraordinary-bell-one-armed-bandit )

I understand, I want to see one that is currently in use in Illinois that shows the probabilies where you can't derive the RTP.
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tringlomane
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November 7th, 2019 at 11:25:03 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: charliepatrick

It is a hypothetical one based on early fruit machines which used digits .
( Picture comes from https://www.gamesroomcompany.com/mills-extraordinary-bell-one-armed-bandit )

I understand, I want to see one that is currently in use in Illinois that shows the probabilies where you can't derive the RTP.

Here is an IGT promo video for a VGT terminal in Illinois. The odds of "winning" is in the top left corner. This is the only info that Illinois legally requires to be revealed. There is no way to determine the RTP.

https://youtu.be/uTp1ccUiClU
DRich
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November 7th, 2019 at 1:10:51 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Here is an IGT promo video for a VGT terminal in Illinois. The odds of "winning" is in the top left corner. This is the only info that Illinois legally requires to be revealed. There is no way to determine the RTP.

https://youtu.be/uTp1ccUiClU

I was under the impression that the games would show the RTP or breakdown the odds of any winning combination in the help screen or paytable. Maybe they have changed it because I am pretty sure I have seen games in Illinois that do this.
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tringlomane
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November 7th, 2019 at 2:29:54 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I was under the impression that the games would show the RTP or breakdown the odds of any winning combination in the help screen or paytable. Maybe they have changed it because I am pretty sure I have seen games in Illinois that do this.

IGT video poker will break it down by each category assuming optimal strategy at a 1 coin bet, so you could calculate optimal RTP easier. But I've never seen a slot do it.

CharlesHewitt
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