mamat
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December 12th, 2017 at 7:05:48 AM permalink
Quote: prozema

I really hesitated to bring this debacle of a thread back to the top but in an attempt not to duplicate topics, I'm going to.

I have seen a number of write ups online that say this game has a return to player of 95.xx%. I have to imagine that this is configurable by the casino to some extent and 95 is the maximum RTP.

Does anyone know where to find what the range of the RTP is?

Quote: Wizard

Like most slots, it probably has various settings from 85% to 97%.

I've seen 80-98%. Harrahs is notorious for low settings. I saw a bank of 5K progressives get installed at 84.52% & 84.53%. Ugly.

A few years ago (not at Harrahs), I was tempted to play for fun on some new slots ... until I saw the 81-82% setting.
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December 12th, 2017 at 7:58:36 AM permalink
I just got back from Orleans and watched a girl (while I played VP) play the 88 game. She refused to quit because the pot was full. It took 4 hours AFTER the pot was full until she finally hit the progressive. She played from 5 pm until it hit at 9:10 pm. she had many free game spins but I am not sure how she did overall. When she needed a bathroom break she called for an attendant to watch the machine for her. My point is just because the pot looks full it might not hit for hours.
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Mikey75
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December 12th, 2017 at 8:21:00 AM permalink
I've observed the same thing. Also it will hit the bonus with the pot empty at times. How full the pot is seems to have no relevance to when the bonus hits.
rxwine
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December 12th, 2017 at 9:14:33 AM permalink
Quote: prozema


John suggested (in a nutshell) that the coin picking feature that triggers progressives is biased twords mini and minor jackpots.



My unofficial opinion is that is true in a lot of new games with multi-progressives.

The first two usually labeled mini and minor hit all day.

The third progressive might hit once in awhile.

Anything beyond that is apparently just for appearances or perhaps it is just recording the minutes players waste trying to hit it. This is often true even if it is only $50 higher than the next lowest progressive.
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December 12th, 2017 at 8:41:25 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

I just got back from Orleans and watched a girl (while I played VP) play the 88 game. She refused to quit because the pot was full. It took 4 hours AFTER the pot was full until she finally hit the progressive. She played from 5 pm until it hit at 9:10 pm. she had many free game spins but I am not sure how she did overall. When she needed a bathroom break she called for an attendant to watch the machine for her. My point is just because the pot looks full it might not hit for hours.

How much was she betting? What progressive are we talking about?
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December 12th, 2017 at 8:55:11 PM permalink
Quote: mamat

... until I saw the 81-82% setting.



I want to see this setting.
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prozema
December 14th, 2017 at 7:48:24 AM permalink
Quote: prozema

John suggested (in a nutshell) that the coin picking feature that triggers progressives is biased towards mini and minor jackpots.



Here's how I think the bonus game works on these types of games:

During normal play when you get the symbol that adds rice or a coin or whatever to the bowl, the computer is picking a random number. If you have more than one symbol in a game, it picks one random number for each symbol. So for most of these games, you're looking at up to 3 random numbers generated per spin.

I believe that the random number generator picks a number between 1 and x, where x may vary by bet size and coin denomination. For example, if you're playing penny slots with max bet of 300 coins, you may be picking numbers between 1 and 50000. the various progressive jackpots are assigned to various numbers within that span of 1 to 50000. For example, the mini progressive may be assigned to 250, 500, 750, 1000 etc all the way to 50000. Meaning you have a 1 in 250 chance of hitting that jackpot for each random number generated. The minor jackpot may be assigned 1001, 2001, 3001 etc.. .meaning you have a 1 in 1000 chance of hitting that.. and so on up to the largest jackpot would be 1 in 50000.

If you are playing only 150 credits.. perhaps you are dealing with a 1 to 100000 range. Not sure about this.

By doing it this way, the slot manufacturer can easily calculate an expected value for the big jackpots.

The reason I think this is how it's done is because of some interesting wording on the slot pay tables for 88 fortunes. It says... "when a "symbol that adds to the bowl" appears, the player may be awarded an available jackpot. if more than one jackpot is available, then the jackpot awarded is determined by the gold coin feature."

So I interpret this as meaning that if you have only one wild on the screen, and you get the gold coin feature, the outcome is already determined. And that's why they don't show you the other coins.. it's forced on you. And that would hold with the commentary that the feature is biased towards the lower level progressives. So the only time the gold coin feature would matter, is if you had two or more symbols on the screen AND both or two of three random numbers hit or more of the progressives. That would be an extremely rare event.

So in a nutshell, the gold coin feature in almost all situations is designed to give you a predetermined progressive.. there is very little likelihood that there are options to win one or another of those jackpots.
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December 15th, 2017 at 3:14:39 PM permalink
I played a game like this before or maybe it is the same game. It is called Duo Fu Duo Cai and the Major Progressive started at 800 and was around 5k when I started. It took many bonus rounds and a few hours before I hit it just over 6k for a net profit of 900 and some change. I didn't find the game very fun and I figure the bonus round is pre set before you start picking the coins.
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December 15th, 2017 at 3:29:05 PM permalink
Axel

It is expensive to play this slot. I think minimum bet is .88 cents. She was playing that sometimes and sometimes she played the next bet up but did not see any max bets. The progressives were two at less than 60 dollars and the rest higher. The top progressives were quite high but I can't really remember how much. She did have some BIG wins on the free spins and even the non bonus spins.

My wife thought this girl knew what she was doing and the staff all knew her. To play for 4 hours is quite an accomplishment. Wife said she won 300 once and did not seem to be putting money into the machine.

Hard to beat a slot but who knows?
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December 15th, 2017 at 3:37:47 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

It is expensive to play this slot. I think minimum bet is .88 cents. She was playing that sometimes and sometimes she played the next bet up but did not see any max bets. The progressives were two at less than 60 dollars and the rest higher. The top progressives were quite high but I can't really remember how much. She did have some BIG wins on the free spins and even the non bonus spins.

My wife thought this girl knew what she was doing and the staff all knew her. To play for 4 hours is quite an accomplishment. Wife said she won 300 once and did not seem to be putting money into the machine.

Hard to beat a slot but who knows?



I don't know if the game I was playing is the same as the 88 game. It looks almost the same. Same Coin picking bonus rounds I think but I can't remember the minimum bet. I remeber I was playing two machines because I didn't want someone to fall into the game. I was betting a dollar a spin or so but it wasn't long before I was betting max bet for some time and I would go back to half max bet. I was told that you have better chances the more you bet but I don't exactly believe that. I just wanted to see what would happen betting other amounts. It felt like I hit more bonus rounds when I bet more. I know that I was very close to losing more than the jackpot. I never seen that jackpot go from 800 to 5000 before so I thought I was onto something. Maybe I was but I know they changed the meter the next day when I went back to check on that game. I don't understand why they would change it. I don't think anyone can beat that game even when the jackpot is 6x it is still scary.

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