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November 29th, 2015 at 6:06:50 PM permalink
Quote: Kentry

Funny as in ironic in how I was shocked that anyone would gamble $250 a spin and I recently gambled away roughly that amount. -.-



Once again you're missing the point. You're gambling away money you need for basic expenses. Who knows what that other person is doing; if they have it to lose and have budgeted for it, that's their business. You've made your business public, and told us you've used money intended for other purposes for gambling (and losing), causing problems between you and your mother, causing you to wander around broke most of the time, depending on scraping enough money together to claim a $5 bonus once a week.

I expect this to be the last time I say much to you, because you're not listening to anybody, whether you're real or a troll. If you're real, you have a REAL problem, and you should get help. That's all.
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December 3rd, 2017 at 6:40:22 AM permalink
I really hesitated to bring this debacle of a thread back to the top but in an attempt not to duplicate topics, I'm going to.

I have seen a number of write ups online that say this game has a return to player of 95.xx%. I have to imagine that this is configurable by the casino to some extent and 95 is the maximum RTP.

Does anyone know where to find what the range of the RTP is?
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December 3rd, 2017 at 8:23:33 AM permalink
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Does anyone know where to find what the range of the RTP is?



Like most slots, it probably has various settings from 85% to 97%.
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prozema
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December 3rd, 2017 at 9:46:16 AM permalink
Thanks Wiz!

Is there any general assumptions one can make on the allocation of that return between free spin bonus games, progressives, and the base game?
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December 3rd, 2017 at 9:56:28 AM permalink
Quote: prozema

Thanks Wiz!

Is there any general assumptions one can make on the allocation of that return between free spin bonus games, progressives, and the base game?



If you don't mind me answering:

A. The contribution to a player from a Progressive(s) can vary pretty wildly. There are several factors, such as:

-Meter Move
-Progressive Start Amount Relative to Probability of Hitting
-Probability of Hitting
-Can the Progressive be won w/o Max Bet? (Assuming no change to probability AND not a must-hit, a lower bet would be better and the Progressive, as a result, would constitute a greater percentage of the return.)

B. Free Spins can also vary dramatically based on their average value and probability of hitting. Free Games often make up as much as 40% of a game's return, but it is also sometimes less than that. You can even look at the same game. Not a slot, but:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/cleopatra-keno/

As you can see, the Bonus Return on Cleopatra Keno can run from under 25%, to as high as 47.4%, just based on how many spots you're playing.
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December 3rd, 2017 at 10:06:02 AM permalink
I appreciate you responding. Thank you!

Sounds like you can't paint with a broad brush.
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December 11th, 2017 at 5:05:51 AM permalink
I was doing some reading about this game. Specifically, there were a couple of articles by John Robison (who claims to be a slot expert).

John suggested (in a nutshell) that the coin picking feature that triggers progressives is biased twords mini and minor jackpots. If I recall correctly he used the word deceptive because it was not stated in the game rules, and because unchosen coins were not revealed at the end of the game to show what could have been.

What seems even more deceptive to me is the rice bowl graphic that slowly fills during play. There are dozens of warnings on several forums that are less reputable than this one talking about chasing the rice bowl and what a bad idea that is. It seems like everyone is remembering the old accumulator slots and are hoping that feature has made a come back in the rice bowl.

I decided to test the rice bowl theory on a free online version of this game which I'm sure is set differently than the casino floor version. Funny enough, after a dozen or so trials I'm ahead once the rice bowl is full!

The asterisk on this is that the primary driver of the additional virtual credits is not the winning of progressives, but wins from free spins.

When the bowl was full to the end of the coin picking feature I got:

2 big losses. Over 100x bet size
1 small loss. Less than 100x bet size
2 basically break evens +/- 20 bet size
5 small wins. Less than 100x bet size
2 big wins. Over 100x bet size

In my opinion, this is inconclusive.

1 time the rice bowl closed when it was not full, the rest of the time the rice bowl was full.

The other thing I thought was interesting is there is a guy who just hovers around these games in one local Casino. No idea if he is sharp or dull.

Also, i rarely see full rice bowls just sitting there in my local casinos.

What do you guys think? Is this worthy of more investigation? Has anyone already done any leg work on this?

Thanks
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December 11th, 2017 at 5:18:11 AM permalink
I've played them a bit. I don't have records for it specifically, though. It seems like the coin bonus isn't good enough to make it +EV, even if the mini/minor are really high. I've hit the major (the one that's $800-$1k usually) 2 or 3 times, I've never hit the grand ($10k+). If they're +EV, I can't imagine they are by much. I don't play them anymore, unless I want to put some slot play on my card, which is rare.
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December 11th, 2017 at 5:27:38 AM permalink
Ps. The guys who vulture UX are not the ones hovering.
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December 11th, 2017 at 6:57:30 AM permalink
I don't mind 88 Fortunes, it has been decent to me.

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