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October 28th, 2014 at 5:55:19 AM permalink
I’ve been learning about how to play in B&M casinos recently and I’ve been playing slots at 1c/spin.

A few notes;

Variance is through the roof. Sometimes it takes ~200 spins before you get a single win.
Going 50-100 spins without a single win is common.

The wins that you do get are huge in relation to your bet. (x100, x1,000)

I get people who come up to me and say that I’m playing wrong. They say that I’m not going to win anything by playing 1c/spin. (Expect this to happen if you try it.)

If there are no positive games in the casino playing slots is; probably the safest (in terms of swings) and the most cost effective choice to pass time without being kicked out.

It’s hard to put a dollar value on how much you can expect to lose per hour at 1c/spin but I have lasted for about 2 hours on $4 before when I was waiting for lucky machine draws. I was pausing for a few seconds between spins and going on lots of breaks. There are lots of strategies to waste time and lose less.
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:18:21 AM permalink
Is the point of this to get free drinks when playing or what?
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:19:53 AM permalink
Or you could sit and watch paint dry. It would drive me crazy.
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:20:20 AM permalink
There could be a multitude of reasons to play 1c/spin.
Once I missed my bus and the best thing to do was to wait at the casino.
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:29:33 AM permalink
Quote: petro

I’ve been learning about how to play in B&M casinos recently and I’ve been playing slots at 1c/spin.

A few notes;

Variance is through the roof. Sometimes it takes ~200 spins before you get a single win.
Going 50-100 spins without a single win is common.

The wins that you do get are huge in relation to your bet. (x100, x1,000)

I get people who come up to me and say that I’m playing wrong. They say that I’m not going to win anything by playing 1c/spin. (Expect this to happen if you try it.)

If there are no positive games in the casino playing slots is; probably the safest (in terms of swings) and the most cost effective choice to pass time without being kicked out.

It’s hard to put a dollar value on how much you can expect to lose per hour at 1c/spin but I have lasted for about 2 hours on $4 before when I was waiting for lucky machine draws. I was pausing for a few seconds between spins and going on lots of breaks. There are lots of strategies to waste time and lose less.



Doesn't it warm your heart that others are concerned enough to take time out to give you advice? Why aren't they taking their own advice? Oh yeah, they already lost using it.

How many hours/weeks/months would it take to earn a buffet at 1c a spin?
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October 28th, 2014 at 9:06:58 AM permalink
A lot of those are 25, 30, even 50 lines. It would drive me crazy to see a big hit on an unplayed line.
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October 28th, 2014 at 9:45:33 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

A lot of those are 25, 30, even 50 lines. It would drive me crazy to see a big hit on an unplayed line.



Isn't there some thinking that the big hit wouldn't have happened due the the difference of a millisecond or so that it would have taken to press a different button thus allowing more or less combinations from the random number generator to cycle through?
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October 28th, 2014 at 9:56:02 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

A lot of those are 25, 30, even 50 lines. It would drive me crazy to see a big hit on an unplayed line.


I've seen it happen so many times it doesn't affect me any more.

Quote: 1BB

Isn't there some thinking that the big hit wouldn't have happened due the the difference of a millisecond or so that it would have taken to press a different button thus allowing more or less combinations from the random number generator to cycle through?


Yes, that's right.
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October 28th, 2014 at 9:56:48 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Isn't there some thinking that the big hit wouldn't have happened due the the difference of a millisecond or so that it would have taken to press a different button thus allowing more or less combinations from the random number generator to cycle through?



Could be. But I can't deny my humanity, I would flip if I saw a jackpot on an unplayed line. The fact that it is an illusion (because I never bet that line) is immaterial. If I play slots, I have to play all lines and max bet, or not play them. Theyre frustrating enough, without having them taunt me as well.

You know those Wheel of Fortune games, if you bet less than max bet and get the SPIN you get like 10 units. That would torque me to no end. The only reason to play slots is to get a big win; all little wins are plowed back in pursuit of the Big Win.
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October 28th, 2014 at 10:39:10 AM permalink
You can win just as much playing a penny as betting anything else on a penny machine. In fact, I've met some people who made good livings betting a penny on the right progressives.
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October 28th, 2014 at 12:09:49 PM permalink
I was under the impression that you can only get to the bonus rounds on many machines by hitting a max bet on that line. Doesn't that (edit: i.e., only playing one coin) change the house edge?
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October 28th, 2014 at 12:14:45 PM permalink
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(Expect this to happen if you try it.)

What are playing the big birtha machine at the casino entrance or something ? Are you chatting people up? turning around making eye contact? Do you wear a neon orange shirt and talk to yourself while banging on the machine?

I have played thousands of hands/spins with 1 coin on VP and slots (that was the best strategy for the games).

I never had anyone say anything to me anything like that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 28th, 2014 at 5:14:04 PM permalink
Quote: petro

I’ve been playing slots at 1c/spin.



You might look back in the video poker section. One of my usual haunts has a few 1c multi-line machines where $20 will last for days. The blue-haired chain smoking old ladies love it. (3 line, 15c max bet! Great camaraderie; lots of friendly ribbing between the high rollers on that bank.)

The big problem is that the paytables are severely clipped, 6/5 JoB for example. You either need to hit a lot of low hands (2 pairs, 3oaks), or a lot of high hands (4oaks or better).
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 29th, 2014 at 7:58:18 PM permalink
The purpose is not to win money as such but to lose less.
You can see videos of the Wizard playing slots at 5c/spin. I'm sure the Wizard would approve of 1c/spin.

As for being approached by people. It's happened lots of times to me. I think the general slots population are not used to seeing people play 1c/spin and that's why it sparks their curiosity.

It also provides insight into why people play slots. The fact that lots of people have told me that I wont win by playing 1c/spin says that a part of the reason people are playing slots is to win money.

And that is one of the other things I'm doing as well; I want to understand why people gamble. Particularly the psychology of slots players. There might be some good that will come out of it.
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October 30th, 2014 at 1:08:24 AM permalink
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I want to understand why people gamble. Particularly the psychology of slots players. There might be some good that will come out of it.



I look forward to reading your findings on the topic.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 30th, 2014 at 4:54:31 AM permalink
Quote: petro


I'm sure the Wizard would approve of 1c/spin.
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I'm sure he will be right on that.

In the mean time just print that out and slap it on the machine.

I figured you must be inviting comments or acting unusual when you're playing because normally sloties don't usually noticed anything but big wins.

If I seen someone doing this next to me, I would think

A) they just don't know what they are doing

B) they are really really broke/cheap/board looking for free drinks

C) they were rounding off extra credits to avoid getting paid pennies


In the mean time do a google search why people play slots, tons of information . Apparently it's like crack.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 30th, 2014 at 6:28:53 AM permalink
Saw a lady in Tunica bet one line of 25 total at 2c this past weekend. She hit it for $20. It happens occasionally. Wiz has done it to help collect data. Might as well lose less when the game sucks.
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October 30th, 2014 at 6:34:28 AM permalink
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C) they were rounding off extra credits to avoid getting paid pennies



Personally, I look for older higher-denomination machines that don't accept fractional credits, and will print out a separate ticket for any fractional credits rather than stacking them.

Around here, at least, a lot of the $1 3-reel 1-line machines haven't been updated with the newer firmware to accept pennies. 1 ticket in, 2 tickets out.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 30th, 2014 at 7:09:00 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I figured you must be inviting comments or acting unusual when you're playing because normally sloties don't usually noticed anything but big wins.


I've even been asked by people "Do you want my machine?" It certainly does raise a lot of questions. But, I've never had any problems by staff and that's the important part.

I have found you get different types of slot players. Some are really talkative and others are dead silent.
The worst of the lot are the old women. Don't get me started on them... :)


Quote: AxelWolf

In the mean time do a google search why people play slots, tons of information . Apparently it's like crack.


I would worry about the quality of that evidence. At least I know the people around me are genuine.

Another question I ask myself; Are the people sane? Watching someone playing $5/spin who you know can't really afford it...
It could be a madhouse. ;)
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October 30th, 2014 at 7:12:51 AM permalink
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a lot of the $1 3-reel 1-line machines.

Are very boring after 20 minutes. Imagine playing 10 hrs on a double diamond progressive machine. NOT FUN.
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October 30th, 2014 at 8:38:18 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Are very boring after 20 minutes. Imagine playing 10 hrs on a double diamond progressive machine. NOT FUN.



Oh heavens, I don't play them... I just stick a ticket in and immediately cash out. Gets me one ticket for folding money, and another one that's change that I save for the next time around. (I'm more interested in the fact that the machine doesn't accept fractional credits than I am the actual game... same for certain slant-top video poker machines.)

I derive pleasure from sticking in less than a dollar to monetize my free play, far more than I do a pocket full of nickels.
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November 16th, 2014 at 4:56:10 PM permalink
Quote: petro

Variance is through the roof. Sometimes it takes ~200 spins before you get a single win.
Going 50-100 spins without a single win is common.

The wins that you do get are huge in relation to your bet. (x100, x1,000)


I have noticed this as well. Maybe it is just a small sample size though.

I played $10 at a $0.01 per game so I could sit down while waiting for someone to finish a free game feature with a ridiculous number of games. There were far fewer small wins and way more large wins than I would have expected. I would be interested in knowing how the games are actually programmed for such low bets.
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November 16th, 2014 at 5:06:41 PM permalink
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Are very boring after 20 minutes. Imagine playing 10 hrs on a double diamond progressive machine. NOT FUN.



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