burntherake
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March 26th, 2012 at 11:30:01 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

The problem here is that friends and co-workers invariable will tell any inventor his idea is great. This one truly sucks. If not dead on arrival, any decent poker dealer will do what he can to kill this idea. Just what a dealer wants, more work, and calculatimng the size of the pot and rake after the hand is over. DUMB IDEA !!



There is no calculating rake really when hand is over because you collect the regular 10% throughout the hand as normal. The dealer is either going to put back what he took out, leave it the way it is or take the same amount again from pot. No calculating.
burntherake
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March 26th, 2012 at 11:32:43 AM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

I should have been a bit more clear... I meant an exposed card. However, the OP answered the question.

If whatme's comments are accurate, you're telling me a casual gambler who sees a 2,4,6,8 exposed will not throw a hissy fit about not getting to "burn the rake????" I'm telling you right now, some people will get up and walk away from that game if they feel they were cheated. I can hear it now...
"But it wasn't my fault that card was exposed. Call the floor over; they have to make this decision. I SAID CALL THE FLOOR."

You're only going to lose ONE HAND AN HOUR?? Again, I'm sure it'll be implemented in all Caesars properties soon. Bellagio will be jumping on this idea.



It happens all the time when a dealer flips up a players hole card and they don't get to keep it. Or worse when the dealer flips up more than one and someone who had a great starting hand who's card wasn't flipped doesn't get to keep it. Yes they get mad, but they get over it. Especially, If they see a 2, 4, 6 or 8 doesn't mean it's goin to be the highest card anyway.
burntherake
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March 26th, 2012 at 11:46:12 AM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

Bellagio does not have a jackpot drop or any other gimmicks. I don't see this flying in any serious poker room. None of the CET poker rooms are serious, and rake 10% up to $5. One could end up with a $10 rake if they lose their side bet. The biggest issue I see here is the fish getting ridiculed for making dumb bets, which will break them faster and hurt how much the sharks make, which is why they will get ridiculed.

Also, not paying rake is an advanced concept, much like rakeback is. The target audience, the ones who know what rake is and does to the game, are not likely to take this high edge side bet. The ones that are the gamblers, are not going to understand what they are winning. They did not really win anything, they just did not lose more in their mind. I would think that lacks appeal to most fish.

I am also curious how the house would know how effective this is. Are they going to have the dealer mark how much extra was dropped or not dropped on certain hands, or is the overall drop difference how they will compare?



Overall table drop difference. And the house edge is only on the rake amount, not pot amount. The average house hold for 10% rake room, with Burn the Rake, will be 10.77% - 12.35%. Example: house has a 10% - max. $3 rake and they want to go to 10% - $4 max. rake. Say there are 13 pots at $40, one for each outcome of difference in burn card values with Burn the Rake, when accounting for only one burn card being played. Say you win all 13 pots, you (the player) end up with $468 average hold , less $13 with their old rake. Now keep that 10% - max. $3 rake and add Burn the Rake to the game. Say you win all 13 pots, you end up with $478 hold on average, if taken down on flop each time. The player on average would hold more than the house raising the rake to make their quotas. That's what Burn the Rake is for, to deter the house from raising the rake, giving them a different option. Also, once players realize to take the pot down before the turn card is played, this will stimulate action.
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March 26th, 2012 at 12:26:35 PM permalink
Quote: burntherake

Also, once players realize to take the pot down before the turn card is played, this will stimulate action.

So, you're saying your idea will change the way the game is played?

VERY BAD IDEA!

Then again, the casino will welcome it, because it means more hands per hour. But you're giving the players another reason to hate it.
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March 28th, 2012 at 9:03:46 PM permalink
I don't know of any poker player or card room operator that does not like a game in which there is a lot of action. If there is a way to stimulate action in a game, I don't see the players or house complaining about it. And to get in more hands also is a plus for players and the house. The players I have ever dealt too, love to get in as many hands as possible per hour, house too.

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