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June 29th, 2021 at 3:30:10 PM permalink
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Thanks for your comments! They were so well written that I don't have any counter-comments.
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:31:18 PM permalink
Are there any states that stop the sale of these tickets after all of the grand prizes are redeemed?
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:41:39 PM permalink
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Are there any states that stop the sale of these tickets after all of the grand prizes are redeemed?



Good question. I frankly don't know. Does anyone else?
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:48:58 PM permalink
In my State it is "Scratchers" (plural) as per the lottery website (I just confirmed that).

The lottery in general annoys me, especially scratchers, (especially if you are behind somebody in a gas station that buys one ticket at a time and takes their time scratching it at the counter, and they always seem to do it when there is just one cashier, but that is more of a personal annoyance).

Mentally, I have always thought of scratchers as portable slot machines, terrible way to spend money (granted I guess you can make the argument that if you buy one every few months for fun, and its truly just for fun there is nothing wrong with it, and they are probably better than "lottery machines" IE slot machines in stations....).

My positive EV way to play Scratchers is receive them as gifts (generally from random people at work since I guess that is a generic gift form), and picking them up on the street (with the hopes that some drunk guy will litter one or not be bothered with one with only a few dollars on it), if you ever assist in clearing a homeless encampment you would be surprised how many scratchers are thrown to the grounds with a few dollars on them (it seems many people don't bother with them if its less than 100 dollars, or don't notice, I guess many people buy them for the big wins only....). I don't think I would every spend money on one (I think I may have paid for one once to contribute to some gift basket to somebody).

Its perhaps a negative stigma or personal bias of mine, but I just associate scratchers with homeless people at gas stations buying one at a time and scratching them at the counter, and occasionally having a drunken outrage if they don't win.... Its just a bad image. I have heard the argument that in many States the EV is (slightly) better than the Mega Millions type tickets, and that may well be true, but its more so the mental conception I have of them..... Also, I would bet (maybe poor word choice) that people who have gambling issues related to lottery play are more likely to get addicted to scratchers (and "lottery machines" which should not be legal in my view....).

I have a low opinion of lotteries both personally as well as politically, and I think it is a way for States to raise money from people who generally cannot afford to spend it. I would rather States legalize casinos in very remote areas and tax them heavily instead of lotteries (hopefully that is not too political) to prevent abuse in certain areas (often from people who are already struggling)....
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:53:49 PM permalink
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...The question for the poll is what do you call a scratch card?



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I see a NJ Lottery web page calls them "Scratch-Offs."

My friend played the NJ Lottery heavily, and he occasionally worked in the news store that sold them. The workers in that store called them "Rip-Offs." The tickets were send to the stores in sheets or rolls (I don't remember which,) and the store person would rip the tickets along the perforations when they were sold. He called them Rip-Offs with a straight face, so I don't think he was joking.
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:57:06 PM permalink
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Good question. I frankly don't know. Does anyone else?



I believe most states do. There was a lawsuit over this in the past.

In NY, non-profits( VFWs, KofC, Amvets) are allowed to offer scratch-offs they can buy from state-approved printers, but the state gets nothing from the sale. We would buy a book of 1,000 tickets for around $25. There would be one $500 winner, a couple of 50 winners and a bunch of $5 ones. I think the prizes added up to $775 so it was $200 profit per roll. I think you could buy them with different levels of prizes and holds. Whenever a $500 ticket was hit, we would add a new roll into the mix so the player could choose from the old and new, which were almost impossible to tell which was which. If it ever got down to a point where you could buy them all and make a profit, we just added another roll. Many posts made enough from the sale that they could use beer and food as a loss leader. Bartenders push the hell out of them if they are smart.
Arizona just gave the okay to sell similar tickets in non-profits but they have not issued any guidelines, as far as I know.
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:28:36 PM permalink
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States take their most objectionable source of revenue - lotteries - and make a big show of allocating those funds to schools, senior centers, state parks and other expenditures that are highly popular. But these things would have been funded anyway -simply because they are popular.

Imagine if states said that lottery revenues help to fund "Fact-Finding" trips by state legislators to other states and countries, and renovations of state legislator offices, and state-provided vehicles and perks for legislators and top staff. I believe that this as true -or more true - than the claims that lottery revenues make a difference in the funding of schools, state parks and community centers.


That may be true.

In any case, I am all for states finding ways other than taxes to generate income. Thatís about all I can say without getting political.
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:30:17 PM permalink
In Alaska they have pull-tabs. I think these are printed in batches of 10,000 or so. When a jar starts to run low, they pour more in from a new batch.

About this, I could be wrong.
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:56:08 PM permalink
There was an article on an Arizona website that I can't locate but it gave a decent breakdown of where the money goes. Until fairly recently, each county got a certain amount off the top. Cochise used to get almost 8 million a year but the Legislature stopped that practice.
It mentioned how the Parks and Conservation Dept get less now than it did twenty years ago, even though sales have tripled. I thought the list of where the money goes was pretty balanced. More money flows to the populated areas but that's where it's needed.
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June 30th, 2021 at 5:14:44 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

In Alaska they have pull-tabs. I think these are printed in batches of 10,000 or so. When a jar starts to run low, they pour more in from a new batch.

About this, I could be wrong.



That's correct, but Alaska has no Government-run state lottery. The Pull Tabs are one of the three forms of Charitable Gaming authorized by the state, with the other two being raffles and Bingo.

Information related to the conduct of Charitable Pull Tab Gaming can be found here:

http://tax.alaska.gov/programs/programs/help/faq/faq.aspx?54160#section0question0

Beverage dispensaries are also permitted to sell Pull Tabs. In addition to licensing fees, there is an annual fee of 1% on gross receipts IF gross receipts exceed $20,000.
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