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August 30th, 2016 at 8:40:09 AM permalink
You can wager on esports tournaments. There have been two forms. One is pure cash, these transactions are rare and have less oversight than traditional online casinos (exaggeration). The other, which has recently been shut down by Valve, was wagering in game cosmetics that are worth a few bucks to hundreds each.

With that said, I love sports gambling, but I wouldn't touch esports except for maybe finals matches, even if I was 100% sure to get paid. At least in DOTA, there are one or two discoveries per year of match fixing, with presumably many more occurring. In fact, one of the most infamous memes, is "322" because a Russian player named Solo basically derailed his career for a couple of years because he was caught throwing (intentionally losing) a game for $322 profit. Peru, Philippines, Russia, a lot of these players come from places where scamming for a few hundred is a lot of money.

It occurs to me you were asking about their in house tournaments. Nonetheless, it's already been typed out on my phone.
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August 30th, 2016 at 10:49:43 AM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

You can wager on esports tournaments. There have been two forms. One is pure cash, these transactions are rare and have less oversight than traditional online casinos (exaggeration). The other, which has recently been shut down by Valve, was wagering in game cosmetics that are worth a few bucks to hundreds each.

With that said, I love sports gambling, but I wouldn't touch esports except for maybe finals matches, even if I was 100% sure to get paid. At least in DOTA, there are one or two discoveries per year of match fixing, with presumably many more occurring. In fact, one of the most infamous memes, is "322" because a Russian player named Solo basically derailed his career for a couple of years because he was caught throwing (intentionally losing) a game for $322 profit. Peru, Philippines, Russia, a lot of these players come from places where scamming for a few hundred is a lot of money.

It occurs to me you were asking about their in house tournaments. Nonetheless, it's already been typed out on my phone.



Thanks for the helpful info. I thought it curious that they would basically chop up what would be a nice VIP table/slot area to put in monitors and CPU's. I don't know how the use justifies the cost, but it was empty when I walked past at about 11 am on a Saturday. There was a poster advertising upcoming tournaments though. Perhaps it is like poker, where the goal is to attract players to the casino in hopes they will gamble while waiting.
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August 30th, 2016 at 12:24:39 PM permalink
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You can wager on esports tournaments. There have been two forms. One is pure cash, these transactions are rare and have less oversight than traditional online casinos (exaggeration). The other, which has recently been shut down by Valve, was wagering in game cosmetics that are worth a few bucks to hundreds each.

With that said, I love sports gambling, but I wouldn't touch esports except for maybe finals matches, even if I was 100% sure to get paid. At least in DOTA, there are one or two discoveries per year of match fixing, with presumably many more occurring. In fact, one of the most infamous memes, is "322" because a Russian player named Solo basically derailed his career for a couple of years because he was caught throwing (intentionally losing) a game for $322 profit. Peru, Philippines, Russia, a lot of these players come from places where scamming for a few hundred is a lot of money.

It occurs to me you were asking about their in house tournaments. Nonetheless, it's already been typed out on my phone.

I was wondering about this and talking about it with someone that plays a few of them game's (I have no clue if you could tell someone was throwing one of them games or not )

I would assume it would be very easy to pay off someone.
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August 30th, 2016 at 12:46:13 PM permalink
These tournaments are great and terrible. They'll be great for bringing new customers and business in... but as soon as all the "newbs" learn that the pros will win every time they'll stop showing up. Usually the tournaments just get very poor turnouts after that and thus discontinued after.

I personally love it though, as a former top tiered gamer I hope they have side 1v1's/etc... Could easily make some money on that.
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August 30th, 2016 at 2:12:56 PM permalink
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I note that the Downtown Grand has a dedicated area for eSports, which in this context means an area where video game players can compete. It has monitors, game systems, cpu's and chairs in a dedicated space. There was a schedule of upcoming tournaments that included Madden NFL football and Call of Duty.

Can others wager on the outcome of these tournaments?


In a Vegas sportsbook? It depends on the definition of "athletic sports event" and whether or not the competitors are considered "amateurs" (although considering that there is prize money, I would consider them professionals). If eSports are "athletic sports events," then, going by a strict reading of the regulations, sportsbooks should be able to take bets on them; otherwise, it requires approval of the Gaming Commissioner.
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August 30th, 2016 at 3:37:12 PM permalink
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I don't know how the use justifies the cost, but it was empty when I walked past at about 11 am on a Saturday. There was a poster advertising upcoming tournaments though. Perhaps it is like poker, where the goal is to attract players to the casino in hopes they will gamble while waiting.



I agree on the cost/benefit, I bet it is just to get people inside. Grasping at straws, it sounds like a LAN cafe to me... I could see one surviving on the strip as "teenager day care" but not at the Grand.
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August 30th, 2016 at 3:57:14 PM permalink
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I was wondering about this and talking about it with someone that plays a few of them game's (I have no clue if you could tell someone was throwing one of them games or not )

I would assume it would be very easy to pay off someone.



It's somewhat tolerated, in that as long as you fess up after accused by Valve themselves, people tend to get at least one pass (nobody has been accused/"convicted" twice). I can't think of one in a big game since the majority of players earn a significant portion of their income from tournament wins. The betting scene isn't as established, so not many people are capable of offering a player 50-100k to throw a big game (when winning that game and getting invited to the next big tournament is on the line).

Most Valve games are the same (Dota & CS:Go). The other big one is LOL, whose player compensation comes in the form of relatively high salaries and a much larger streaming population. Google can tell you how much these guys are making, especially the Koreans.
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August 30th, 2016 at 4:30:59 PM permalink
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It's somewhat tolerated, in that as long as you fess up after accused by Valve themselves, people tend to get at least one pass (nobody has been accused/"convicted" twice). I can't think of one in a big game since the majority of players earn a significant portion of their income from tournament wins. The betting scene isn't as established, so not many people are capable of offering a player 50-100k to throw a big game (when winning that game and getting invited to the next big tournament is on the line).

Most Valve games are the same (Dota & CS:Go). The other big one is LOL, whose player compensation comes in the form of relatively high salaries and a much larger streaming population. Google can tell you how much these guys are making, especially the Koreans.



The world of "games of skill" is very interesting to me, in that it has been touted as the next frontier of gambling. Are these foreign professional players and their followers 21 years of age or older? It would be dumb, and possibly illegal, for a casino to dedicate gaming floorspace for activities only teens participate in. Unless betting is allowed on the outcomes by third parties, I don't see how it grows in the current format, even with multimillion dollar prize pools (which I assume are parimutual).

Or course the same was probably said of Beer Pong, and O'Shea's is still around because of it.
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August 30th, 2016 at 5:19:33 PM permalink
Valve Shutting Down Underage Gambling

Dota and CS:GO tend toward an older audience, but a large portion of the player base is underage. These websites had no real age check and were tolerated for years. It's the equivalent of betting/getting paid gold on pachinko... you're not really gambling. The benefit of these games were that they were legit. Similar to horse racing, the odds were dynamic and the money was just redistributed (if they took a cut it was negligible).

I have no idea what they're going for. Looks like they hosted some fighting games tournament in July. What's the point of this?
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August 30th, 2016 at 5:31:10 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

The world of "games of skill" is very interesting to me, in that it has been touted as the next frontier of gambling. Are these foreign professional players and their followers 21 years of age or older? It would be dumb, and possibly illegal, for a casino to dedicate gaming floorspace for activities only teens participate in. Unless betting is allowed on the outcomes by third parties, I don't see how it grows in the current format, even with multimillion dollar prize pools (which I assume are parimutual).

Or course the same was probably said of Beer Pong, and O'Shea's is still around because of it.

Looks like we will just have to get one of our former world gaming champion involved, we can probably get him to take a dive and sell out cheap (-;
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