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AxelWolf
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May 1st, 2015 at 1:58:38 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Acknowledged. For future reference, to everyone, if you have trouble as a Wizard player at one of our endorsed casinos, it is better to take the complaint to us directly than start complaining on the forum. It goes you more of a bargaining chip to hold back on that.

For now, you don't need to redact anything.

Obviously the Goal is to get paied first and forforemost. It's great if you solve the problems after the fact but how will we ever know if a paticular casino is a pain in the ass to mess with.

Agian, I agree the goal is for him to get paied, but if you need a barging chip thats not good.

The mere though you might need one is what's wrong with most onlinecasinos.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
EvenBob
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May 1st, 2015 at 2:22:44 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf


Agian, I agree the goal is for him to get paied, but if you need a barging chip thats not good.
The mere though you might need one is what's wrong with most onlinecasinos.



That's exactly what I was thinking. If
you need someone to force payment
for you, what's the point of playing
there.
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May 1st, 2015 at 3:21:44 PM permalink
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Of course the rest of us are not under the gag order I presume.



That is true.

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It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.

To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.



The casinos have a legitimate reason to ask. A lot of people play under false identities for purposes of repeating the same bonus numerous times.

To play the devil's advocate, the Internet casinos might say that most players eventually burn through their entire deposit. So, it saves the fuss of making those players send in documents. I do agree that it should be made clear that documents will be requested for a cash out. Most casinos do state this, but it may be buried in a long T&C statement. Any Internet player should be used to the request anyway.

Asking for documents upon a cash out is normal for the industry.
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soxfan
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May 1st, 2015 at 4:17:29 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Absolutely not. There's actually an advantage to be had. They have better odds on many games than some casinos plus bonuses.

I have been to casinos with nothing better than 7/5 JOB and no promotions.

The BJ isn't 6 to 5 at BV like some casinos.

its hard to $1 BJ (and other table games) at a casino especially with bonuses and other promotions and cash back.

If you don't think people win at BV you're coconuts :-)

Then again you do play the game of baccarat.



Cats who buck up against any online joint for anything other than the poker are indeed coconut city, hey hey.
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May 1st, 2015 at 6:52:53 PM permalink
Quote: soxfan

... coconut city, hey hey.


Same number of syllables as Copacabana, hey, hey.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
AxelWolf
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May 2nd, 2015 at 8:53:45 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

That is true.

Quote:

It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.

To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.



The casinos have a legitimate reason to ask. A lot of people play under false identities for purposes of repeating the same bonus numerous times.

To play the devil's advocate, the Internet casinos might say that most players eventually burn through their entire deposit. So, it saves the fuss of making those players send in documents. I do agree that it should be made clear that documents will be requested for a cash out. Most casinos do state this, but it may be buried in a long T&C statement. Any Internet player should be used to the request anyway.

Asking for documents upon a cash out is normal for the industry.

Sending in documents is one of the biggest deterrents playing online and a big reason people tend not to try new casinos.

I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a one time verification system for all online casinos(sounds like a good Idea to me) but I don't think the casinos really want that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
terapined
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May 2nd, 2015 at 9:06:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Wizard

That is true.

Quote:

It disgusts me to the utmost to hear about needing ID and utility bills etc. The plausible need for such would be when depositing the money to establish that the player is not using other people's credit cards etc.

To demand this only when it's time to cough up money is ugly indeed. The train has left the station as far as possible fraud by the player; now the money is going in the opposite direction.



The casinos have a legitimate reason to ask. A lot of people play under false identities for purposes of repeating the same bonus numerous times.

To play the devil's advocate, the Internet casinos might say that most players eventually burn through their entire deposit. So, it saves the fuss of making those players send in documents. I do agree that it should be made clear that documents will be requested for a cash out. Most casinos do state this, but it may be buried in a long T&C statement. Any Internet player should be used to the request anyway.

Asking for documents upon a cash out is normal for the industry.

Sending in documents is one of the biggest deterrents playing online and a big reason people tend not to try new casinos.

I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a one time verification system for all online casinos(sounds like a good Idea to me) but I don't think the casinos really want that.


I agree.
I have done transactions with a variety of businesses throughout my lifetime.
Every business on the planet is concerned about fraud.
I have gotten refunds from multiple businesses in person, over the internet and via mail.
I have never ever had to present a utility bill to get a refund of any kind.
I will offer valid ID to get a refund but I consider a utility bill private.

I won a poker tournament online once. 2 buck tournament, 25 cent rake, 546 entrants.
Came in 1st, won 278 bucks. I was so proud of myself, requested a withdrawl in the amount of tournament win.
I wanted to copy the check and hang it on my wall with a printed screenshot of my last hand.
This was a honest online casino. They simply sent me the check, absolutely no hoops to jump through.
Why cant Las Vegas online casino handle business like this?

It disturbs me that they ceased communication with teddys and shut down his account. Simply for that reason they should not be advertised below.
There is absolutely no valid reason to close communication.
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May 2nd, 2015 at 1:25:21 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

This is not good.
Cmon Wiz or Zuga, you guys got juice, help out teddys.
Its not like this is some new member with a questionable dispute.
Its teddys, known trusted member.
Zuga seems to keep a keen eye on any threads regarding online gambling, surprised he has not chimed in.



No actually, I do not monitor every single topic. Plus I was not much online in the last few days.

Mike has notified me about this topic , so teddys please PM me your casino user name any other detail that you feel might be relevant to your case.

cheers
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May 2nd, 2015 at 1:38:38 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a one time verification system for all online casinos(sounds like a good Idea to me) but I don't think the casinos really want that.



Who gets utility bills in the mail
anymore. You can print out your
online bill but you can change the
name and address to anything you
want, so it's pointless as proof of
identity. I always thought they wanted
it to slow down having to pay you.
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May 2nd, 2015 at 1:46:03 PM permalink
The experienced bonus players just fake the utility bills on Photoshop.

I just tried to play at a Pala Interactive casino, which is legal for New Jersey residents, and they asked for a Social Security number. If you declined, you had to send documents to them too.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

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