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binary128
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March 10th, 2014 at 4:26:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My question is whether this is due to it being the Flash casino, free play mode, both, or whether their auto-hold is always wrong. I used to play in Microgaming casinos a LOT back in the good old days and strongly believed the auto-hold to be accurate back then.


I don't know this, and I probably should given that they are my competition.

But then again, I really don't care. If I found any "incriminating data", I couldn't do anything with it. To do so would strike me as "bashing the competition", and I'm not comfortable with that.

For all I know, they might be running the entire free play game client side - RNG, "shuffling" algorithm, "auto hold" algorithm, and so forth. Doing everything client side would save them server load, which is important. But it would also save them the cost of bandwidth, which (depending on where the server is) can be pretty expensive.

Given that Microgaming started as a "fat client" application, I would guess they might have a corporate culture that "thin client" (Flash, et. al) is intrinsically crap. So, thin client free play is crap on crap.

We don't have auto hold because to do it "absolutely right" would take a LOT of time, time we just haven't been able to find. Also, I'm against turning Video Poker into a 2-click slot machine.

Chris

BTW - I voted ... wait for it ... "I don't know".
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March 11th, 2014 at 6:02:40 AM permalink
I agree that anyone with half a brain, or even just an ounce of curiosity, would keep the four to a royal rather than the auto-hold's suggestion of the high pair.

But, in the strictest sense of the wording, the high pair IS a guaranteed winner, while the four to a royal is not.

So, assuming that's the wording, I can't really fault them.
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March 11th, 2014 at 6:32:12 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Auto-hold should be based on optimal play always. However, this requires a lot of extra computer code, which they probably didn't bother with in the free Flash casino, to keep download time faster.


Back when Microgaming casinos accepted US players, it was my experience that the download version made the correct holds, but the Flash version only held winning hands and wild cards as you mentioned.
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March 11th, 2014 at 7:10:30 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The role of government should be to protect against this kind of abuse, even if it is disclosed in the rules screens.


Quote: Mission146

The Government is the problem


Sorry if I quoted Mission out of context, but the role of government is to reward politically powerful people or groups at the expense of others.

There's no proper role for government in something as trivial as casino gambling.
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March 13th, 2014 at 8:14:30 AM permalink
I'm somewhat unclear why there is no "autohold is correct" option. Granted autohold should be correct everywhere, but if it's correct in real play mode, this has to be the overriding factor. Since free play doesn't involve money, why does it even matter?
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March 13th, 2014 at 8:57:43 AM permalink
Because it is a disservice to all who are taught to play incorrectly lacking a disclaimer that it is incorrect.
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Caruso
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March 13th, 2014 at 3:08:56 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Because it is a disservice to all who are taught to play incorrectly lacking a disclaimer that it is incorrect.



People can't take their own responsibility for optimal play?

I mean, I'm all for blaming casinos for absolutely everything that's their fault, up to and including their existence, the majority of whose we'd all be a lot better off without. But blaming them for players learning incorrect game strategy might be a step too far.
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March 13th, 2014 at 3:20:03 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

Sorry if I quoted Mission out of context, but the role of government is to reward politically powerful people or groups at the expense of others.

There's no proper role for government in something as trivial as casino gambling.



Right on. The role of the politicians is to repay the debts incurred campaigning. They are terrible people.

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Caruso
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March 13th, 2014 at 3:22:12 PM permalink
FWIW, I briefly checked free play in the download (I'm paranoid about hitting a royal and throwing my computer out the window); doesn't seem to be a problem.

EDIT to add: indeed, the flash is incorrect, I just checked. Only holds made pays.
Mission146
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March 14th, 2014 at 6:54:25 AM permalink
Quote: Caruso

People can't take their own responsibility for optimal play?

I mean, I'm all for blaming casinos for absolutely everything that's their fault, up to and including their existence, the majority of whose we'd all be a lot better off without. But blaming them for players learning incorrect game strategy might be a step too far.



I tend not to blame casinos for very much at all, except for those that cheat.

I'm not necessarily blaming Microgaming for people not educating themselves prior to playing a game, however, my concern is that a player may, "Practice," on this game under the false assumption that he/she is educating himself/herself. People could then take what they "Learned," from the game into a casino with a game that does not auto-hold and then emulate the incorrect holds.

That's why I maintain auto-holds should be correct or not at all, absent a clearly worded disclaimer in the HELP file if the holds are not Optimal.
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