blackjacklad
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October 3rd, 2018 at 4:45:08 AM permalink
It's the casinos job to recruit and train their staff effectively. If they are incompetent and I benefit from that, great! As Romes said, dealers make a lot more errors to the detriment of the players than they do to their benefit. No ordinary basic strategy player is playing against the house edge as published unless they are making 100% certain they spot and catch all of the errors against them.

In casinos customers are encouraged to make poor gambling decisions which can easily lead to them losing lots of money. Some casinos would not allow customers to play if they are flaming drunk, however I have never seen a casino turn away a players money because they were somewhat drunk after having a few pints.

The fact that they serve alcohol in an environment in which people are encouraged to make risky negative-value financial decisions is bad enough, that they have staff employed to come to the tables and offer it to the patrons makes it much worse. They prefer players to have alcohol in their system so that they make poor decisions and have reduced impulse control.
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October 3rd, 2018 at 5:47:03 AM permalink
Quote: blackjacklad

It's the casinos job to recruit and train their staff effectively. If they are incompetent and I benefit from that, great! As Romes said, dealers make a lot more errors to the detriment of the players than they do to their benefit. No ordinary basic strategy player is playing against the house edge as published unless they are making 100% certain they spot and catch all of the errors against them.

In casinos customers are encouraged to make poor gambling decisions which can easily lead to them losing lots of money. Some casinos would not allow customers to play if they are flaming drunk, however I have never seen a casino turn away a players money because they were somewhat drunk after having a few pints.

The fact that they serve alcohol in an environment in which people are encouraged to make risky negative-value financial decisions is bad enough, that they have staff employed to come to the tables and offer it to the patrons makes it much worse. They prefer players to have alcohol in their system so that they make poor decisions and have reduced impulse control.



Nothing you said is based on facts or more than very limited personal experience. That a dealer makes more mistakes against a player than for is just pure opinion. I personally see tons of mistakes for the player in Carnival Games, especially Texas Holdem variations. Lots of dealers struggle with Holden games and listen to what players say on who's hand wins. I'd say Carnival game eros lead towards player 60/40. Maybe even as high as 70/30.

I'd say blackjack errors are about 50/50.

The thing about dealer errors is Supervisors get called and its noticable when a mistake goes against a player. When the mistake is for the player, most players don't say anything so there's no Supervisor call and it goes unnoticed. So, it could definitely seem like there are more errors against a player, but there arent. I've done hundreds, of not into the 1,000's of dealer audits and video reviews.

95% of dealers want players to win. They have no interest or gain from making or hiding mistakes against a player.

Sounds like you are one of those that blames the casino for players being intoxicated. I've been in a casino about 3,000 times for a total of about 24,000 hours. Not once have I ever seen a player forced to drink. Never even seen a player say no and an employee insist they drink until they change their mind.

As a player, I've never drank so much that i was at a greater disadvantage than just the house edge. Why has the casino never got me drunk and taken advantage of me? Am I really lucky? Or do I just choose, just like anyone else can, to not get drunk?


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
WatchMeWin
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October 3rd, 2018 at 12:53:44 PM permalink
People need to take accountability for their actions. Too many people look to game the system and are always looking to blame others.

If you drink too much at a ballpark or a casino and then go and get in a car accident, it's your fault for drinking too much not the establishment that sold you the booze. Yet lawyers find ways 2 get money for their clients by suing the establishment.

Have there been any cases where someone has won a lawsuit against a casino for losing money after they got drunk from the establishment? This would be interesting
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October 3rd, 2018 at 4:02:57 PM permalink
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Have there been any cases where someone has won a lawsuit against a casino for losing money after they got drunk from the establishment? This would be interesting



Not a lawsuit, but Caesars Palace got a $225,000 fine in the Terrance Watanabe case.
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October 3rd, 2018 at 4:33:19 PM permalink
This reminds me, can anyone give me a synopsis of ďWinning Without CountingĒ by Stanford Wong, and speak to whether any of the info is still relevant or not.
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October 3rd, 2018 at 5:08:10 PM permalink
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Not a lawsuit, but Caesars Palace got a $225,000 fine in the Terrance Watanabe case.



You beat me to the punch with that remark. He also sued to get back some of his losses on those grounds but never got a cent. Steve Wynn showed him the door long before he could get sued. Still, pay a $225,000 fine and keep $204,000.000 isn't such a bad deal if you ask me.

In the end though, in my opinion, he created his own mess.
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October 3rd, 2018 at 6:57:25 PM permalink
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This reminds me, can anyone give me a synopsis of ďWinning Without CountingĒ by Stanford Wong, and speak to whether any of the info is still relevant or not.



Good question. That is one of the few Wong books I do not own. It was published in 1980, when there were probably more angles to the game. Just a guess -- he probably advocated looking for the best rules possible and then doing an eyeball scan of the table and just betting more when a lot of small cards come out and less with a lot of paint and aces.
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October 3rd, 2018 at 7:14:44 PM permalink
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Good question. That is one of the few Wong books I do not own. It was published in 1980, when there were probably more angles to the game. Just a guess -- he probably advocated looking for the best rules possible and then doing an eyeball scan of the table and just betting more when a lot of small cards come out and less with a lot of paint and aces.


There doesnít seem to be a ton of copies floating around. I just grabbed the only one on Amazon < $80. Thereís another one on eBay for $28, which is what I paid.

Iíll post a review once I get it.
mcallister3200
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October 3rd, 2018 at 7:22:26 PM permalink
I honestly donít remember if Iíve read it or not...I do know Iíve read wong talking about warps, first basing and dealer tells in one of his books all of which would be rare or out of date now. Looking forward to hearing what you think of it.
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October 3rd, 2018 at 8:20:27 PM permalink
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Iíll post a review once I get it.



I look forward to the review. If you ever want to sell your copy, let me know. I have a decent collection of gambling books going.
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