mcallister3200
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October 2nd, 2018 at 10:42:52 AM permalink
Says the guy making a career out of working for predatory employers.

Is talking stick back up and running or did the man upstairs intervene again?
billryan
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October 2nd, 2018 at 10:45:26 AM permalink
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Says the guy making a career out of working for predatory employers.



You say that as if it it is a bad thing.
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October 2nd, 2018 at 3:01:46 PM permalink
I pretty much always agree with, and enjoy, Zcores posts. Yes, that being said I couldnít disagree more here.

Among the LARGE LIST of reasons to take dealer misspays... the biggest one by far, is 9/10 miss pays I see are AGAINST the players. Iím not joking... I have played thousands and thousands of hours over a decade and Iím positive that the mistake ratio over my career thus far is at least 8-1 in favor of the House. Iíve been at casinos where Iím confident the dealer is INTENTIONALLY making ďmistakesĒ and taking player money. Thus, the #1 reason you should take misspays in your favor is because the casino already (illegally) is making more in the other direction.

Now get in to some other reasons... not my job to correct dealers, donít want to piss other players off, the vast majority of casinos are shady and predatory (encouraging drunks to play, bet more, sending mailers to gambling addicts), plus EV to my livelyhood and income, etc, etc.

Sally - if that ever happened to me, Iíd ask the police to review the tapes from JUST THAT DAY and if they didnít find 1 case of the house taking money when they shouldnít then Iíd plead guilty and pay whatever the casino wants me to as a fine. However, if they find EVEN ONE then the dealer, pit, and shift supervisor must all also be immediately arrested and treated the same way as in being treated. Any lawyer would have a field day with this.
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mustangsally
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October 2nd, 2018 at 3:13:46 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

However, if they find EVEN ONE then the dealer, pit, and shift supervisor must all also be immediately arrested and treated the same way as in being treated. Any lawyer would have a field day with this.

arrest on what charge(s)
it is a true fact that Dealers cheat the casino they work at. not all but more than 0 do. how many get caught?
less than 100%...

it is also true that players cheat the casino. we all should know between right and wrong and cheat is what it is.

sometime Dealers and players are in bed together cheating the casino.
it happens more than 0 times per year.

stop the cheating!
call out the mistakes and play fair and honest!
the casino games are NOT fair as there is a house edge

so buyer beware
and stop all the cheating

I still know that the most common AP in the US is at Roulette and has been for many years.
get your chips, cash out and keep a few (some teams keep a stack)
and cash them back in later when the chip value is higher.
I seen it done and it was easy
it was still wrong, because it is not fair, and most call that cheating

I also know you are talking about confirmation bias
good for you
and
thank you for sharing your opinions too
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October 2nd, 2018 at 4:12:50 PM permalink
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So, a business that chooses to have rules is immoral?


I believe there is something inherently dishonest and immoral about offering a game, and then creating an unwritten rule that players are not allowed to be skilled at that game.
Rigondeaux
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October 2nd, 2018 at 4:58:02 PM permalink
My outlook is 1) casinos are a dirty business, exploiting ignorance and addiction. I've worked in one and I didn't feel great about it. Apart from the strip or a similar destination, most patrons are worse off for visiting. Many are far worse off.

Whatever jobs and taxes are provided are a drop in the bucket compared to the damage done.

Is it ok to steal from a theif, though? I'm not sure. But perhaps.

Ultimately, the casino offers games that they make the rules for and administer. They invite you to come in and play them. If you can literally beat them at their own game without breaking the law, good for you.

I don't expect them to allow winners to crush them indefinitely though.
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October 2nd, 2018 at 5:19:07 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally



stop the cheating!
call out the mistakes and play fair and honest!




Let me share a story with you about something that actually happened. I was at a BJ table years ago with 3 other people-total strangers. At the end of the shoe one of the players asked to color up. He colored up with a little over $500 but instead of a pink chip the dealer gave him a yellow. The whole table (except the dealer) saw it and the guy got away from the table as fast as he could. We all kept our mouth's shut and let the guy go. If you were at the table with us would you bring it to the dealer's attention (in the name of calling out mistakes, playing fair, and being honest), or would you have minded your own business like the rest of us did?

Would anyone else do that and point the guy out to the pit boss, or would you keep quiet and stay out of it?

Be honest.
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October 2nd, 2018 at 6:12:05 PM permalink
Quote: Lovecomps

Let me share a story with you about something that actually happened. I was at a BJ table years ago with 3 other people-total strangers. At the end of the shoe one of the players asked to color up. He colored up with a little over $500 but instead of a pink chip the dealer gave him a yellow. The whole table (except the dealer) saw it and the guy got away from the table as fast as he could. We all kept our mouth's shut and let the guy go. If you were at the table with us would you bring it to the dealer's attention (in the name of calling out mistakes, playing fair, and being honest), or would you have minded your own business like the rest of us did?

Would anyone else do that and point the guy out to the pit boss, or would you keep quiet and stay out of it?

Be honest.



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October 2nd, 2018 at 6:54:23 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

But don't play holier than thou when its convenient for you. I would not accept a mistake in my favor if I knew about it at the time at any business.


ZCore13



Good, point out all the dealer mistakes you notice that are in your favor. I'm sure there will be 77 virgins for you in heaven because of your great morality. Of course, you work for a casino, so you have a financial self-interest in advocating that other people do this. So maybe only 76 virgins for you.

We all have seen casinos do unconscionable things. The casino business arose from the Mafia, and there is a stain on this business because of how they continue to act and where they came from. No amount of apologizing by Zcore13 can erase or deny that stain.

Come to think of it, when you get to heaven, all you are getting is a Hustler magazine and a pack of Kleenex tissue.
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October 3rd, 2018 at 1:45:57 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Good, point out all the dealer mistakes you notice that are in your favor. I'm sure there will be 77 virgins for you in heaven because of your great morality. Of course, you work for a casino, so you have a financial self-interest in advocating that other people do this. So maybe only 76 virgins for you.

We all have seen casinos do unconscionable things. The casino business arose from the Mafia, and there is a stain on this business because of how they continue to act and where they came from. No amount of apologizing by Zcore13 can erase or deny that stain.

Come to think of it, when you get to heaven, all you are getting is a Hustler magazine and a pack of Kleenex tissue.



What's the difference where I work? I correct errors in my favor at the gas station, grocery store and anywhere else. I don't interject if it's another player or customer getting the benefit of a mistake. That's for them to live with. I just don't accept human errors that cod get them in trouble when they are conducting business with me.

If someone drinks to much at the casino, who's fault is that? Any answer other than the person is ridiculous. If someone gambles too much, who's fault is that? The casino for mailing offers? Hardly. Is McDonalds at fault for feeding people with high blood pressure? Should a buffet be held liable for allowing fat people to overeat?

Las Vegas is a whole different beast, but the two places I've worked in Arizona, neither one allows intoxicated players to play. I get players an Uber/taxi every night I work. Not only is it not fair to take money from an obviously intoxicated player, in Az the server is held personally liable, a long with the casino Az a business, for over-serving that results in an accident. I also suggest and assist with players excluding themselves if the have a gambling problem. I personally would not work somewhere that knowingly takes advantage of people's intoxication or addiction.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.

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