boymimbo
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March 6th, 2012 at 3:06:09 PM permalink
At my local casino, what they do is set up the bet after the throw, and only put up the bet on the number thrown (in the case of 7, they put up all the bets), and return the rest of the money. They put all of the money aside until then and put a lay marker on it, in front of the box.
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MrRalph
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March 6th, 2012 at 3:15:30 PM permalink
I can honestly say I have had more problems with rude and paranoid pit bosses than dealers.
WongBo
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March 6th, 2012 at 3:21:54 PM permalink
I agree that the pit is often more annoying than the dealers or box.
The other day I was on a long roll, setting the dice on the point and throwing a high vertical drop lob from straight away.
The pit kept coming over and telling me to hit the wall even though both dice
were traveling at least 12 feet and peaking about eye level.
I was actually hitting the wall on most rolls, but not sufficiently enough for this prick apparently.
Sure I know I'm supposed to hit the wall on every roll, but did he really think I was some mechanic getting one over on them?
I think he didn't like how close together the dice were staying and figured I was up to something.
I personally don't believe in controlled shooting, but I guess some of these pit bosses aren't sure...
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
Triplell
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March 6th, 2012 at 10:38:14 PM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

Why not Bet $282 Across the back (60/45/36/36/45/60) and drop $6 for every natural to get $180?
So if I'm reading this right, you had $180 across the back an drop $6 for every natural to get $120?
You're paying the same $6 for less at risk to win less...



You and this dealer would have gotten along well.

I agree that betting 60-45-36 would be better in terms of HE because you win more with the same vig. I normally don't do it because it's hard enough to explain to the dealers my bet.

However, it is still better then the any 7 bet.

I risk $30 on each number to win $112 when a seven is rolled (15+20+25+25+20+15)-6(the vig)...

Putting $30 on the any-7 pays 4 to 1, or pays $120. However, the any 7 bet loses on 2,3,11, and 12, which has P = (1/6). So the lay bet is obviously a better bet.
TIMSPEED
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March 6th, 2012 at 10:45:29 PM permalink
Quote: Triplell

You and this dealer would have gotten along well.

I agree that betting 60-45-36 would be better in terms of HE because you win more with the same vig. I normally don't do it because it's hard enough to explain to the dealers my bet.

However, it is still better then the any 7 bet.

I risk $30 on each number to win $112 when a seven is rolled (15+20+25+25+20+15)-6(the vig)...

Putting $30 on the any-7 pays 4 to 1, or pays $120. However, the any 7 bet loses on 2,3,11, and 12, which has P = (1/6). So the lay bet is obviously a better bet.


I understand your theory...and bigred and/or horn is a crummy bet..that dealer obviously wanted you to lose..hell she could have recommended a $30 3-way red ($10 on on on each of the 7's for $150) and a $2 hi/lo-$4 acedeuce...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
ewjones080
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March 8th, 2012 at 8:31:21 AM permalink
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ewjones080
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March 8th, 2012 at 8:32:10 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's not the same at all. You're right that they are kinda renting the stage. But they pay that fee regardless of how much they make. No cap - and no minimum either.

I think the dealer tip cap is illegal too. Or at least unethical, since the tips are being diverted from the customer's intended recipient.



Right, not the same as a cap, but this is paying an upfront fee, with no guarantee of getting the money back. Which is sorta the same with the casino cap I think. Paying up front fees to receive payment is usually a scam, or some super sketchy business deal. A couple years ago I was looking for a job and found a description of something on the internet. It was vague, but I filled out the small form anyway. Twenty mins later I got a phone call to come in that day for an "interview". I thought to myself, there is no way this a legit thing, but thought I really have nothing to lose, so might as well.

As soon as I step in, I feel like it's some kind of set-up for a con-job. There's a couple of fake plants, and crappy chairs and everything sort of looked "make-shift". There were even magazines addressed to two different people. I briefly talk to the woman in charge, and she's staring at me with big bug eyes, and talking sorta slow and well enunciated. She looked blank, sorta freaked me out. Then she gave a little presentation to a small group of us. Basically they wanted us to become salesmen for a knife set. But we had to buy the knives first. All in all I was there about 45 mins and couldn't wait to escape.
FleaStiff
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March 8th, 2012 at 8:42:24 AM permalink
Even if the shooter is a Don't player The Stickman has a set patter-line for when a Seven rolls and when a Point Rolls. If a shooter from the Don't makes the Point Number... the Stickman still intones: Winner, Front Line Winner.... .

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