buzzpaff
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October 2nd, 2011 at 3:29:05 PM permalink
bott: What's wrong with that?

Costello: Look, all I wanna know is when you sign up the first baseman, how does he sign his name?

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: How does he sign...

Abbott: That's how he signs it.

Costello: Who?

Abbott: Yes.
buzzpaff
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October 2nd, 2011 at 3:29:52 PM permalink
Costello: All I'm trying to find out is what's the guy's name on first base.

Abbott: No. What is on second base.

Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

Abbott: Who's on first.

Costello: One base at a time!

Abbott: Well, don't change the players around.

Costello: I'm not changing nobody!

Abbott: Take it easy, buddy.

Costello: I'm only asking you, who's the guy on first base?

Abbott: That's right.

Costello: Ok.

Abbott: All right.
BrooklynJake
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October 2nd, 2011 at 4:22:35 PM permalink
Baloney! I hate dice setters. Some of the shooters are so oblivious that they roll the dice in front of themselves a couple of times, even before setting them. It terribly slows down the game and frankly I'm suspicious that there is some actual control of the dice. That's right. When I bring up the subject, I get some ridicule because the dice have to be bounced off of the back wall, but the way the setters obviate this requirement, is throw the dice about an inch or two from the back wall so that there is actually very little in the way rotation of the dice. I'm a fairly regular dice player and I like the new restrictions. More speed and a fairer roll. It sounds good to me. Right on!
Keyser
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October 2nd, 2011 at 4:43:22 PM permalink
Here's how it works.

These aren't dice setters as people know the term. The dice setting schools are basically a load of blarney. These are people that are polished experts at manipulating and sliding dice, and spinning dice. In order to successfully slide or spin the dice, they have to manipulate the dice by subtly dulling the edges in most games.

When shooting the dice, they hit the back wall most of the time, until they need a hit. They may slide one dice, while letting the other dice fly free, creating the illusion of a random toss. These aren't people that are openly setting the dice like fools. These are likely very skill players.

They likely also deposit so much money in the cage that the casino will grant their style of play out of fear that they player will walk out the door. `When several hundred thousand are on deposit, casino managers will sometimes get stupid. They will offer rebates, bend the rules of the games, and will overlook certain things when it comes to procedure. For example, allowing the player to come up short of the back wall at times is no big deal when it's someone betting very big on a regular basis. Offering a 10 to 15% rebate on a loss is also another perk that's available in some casinos.

There's one more catch to this game. Casinos are also dirty players. The casinos will let some of these teams somewhat openly cheat. For example, these sliders. If they lose, fine. The casino gets their money. However, if the casino loses, then they can file a patron gaming dispute with the gaming commission. If front money is on deposit, then the casino probably attempted to freeze that money as well. If gaming takes up the case, they can delay payout to the player for a very long time. If gaming rules against the casino, they can file an appeal, etc... The casino can draw this out for years. (Caesars Palace is rather infamous for doing this to certain players.) The Wynn is now trying their hand at the predatory gaming game as well.

In short, you have sliders trying to get the upper hand, and a bitter casino basically committing 'bad faith' by trying to get out of paying the players. It's predatory gaming at it's finest. The mistake the players made was not making the casino believe that they had a real shot at winning their money.

-Keyser
EvenBob
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October 2nd, 2011 at 5:19:39 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser



In short, you have sliders trying to get the upper hand, and a bitter casino basically committing 'bad faith' by trying to get out of paying the players. It's predatory gaming at it's finest..



AP's against the Dark Side. My vote is for the AP's.
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SanchoPanza
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October 3rd, 2011 at 8:06:18 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

I demand a raise. In vaudeville the straight man always got paid more. Because everybody wanted to be the comedian. No matter who's on first ,Abbott got first billing and at least 51%.


Rowan and Martin. Martin and Lewis. And practically all the ventriloquists.
buzzpaff
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October 3rd, 2011 at 8:19:22 AM permalink
Costello: What's the guy's name on first base?

Abbott: No. What is on second.

Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

Abbott: Who's on first.

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott: He's on third, we're not talking about him.

Costello: Now how did I get on third base?

Abbott: Why you mentioned his name.

Costello: If I mentioned the third baseman's name, who did I say is playing third?

Abbott: No. Who's playing first.

Costello: What's on first?

Abbott: What's on second.

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott: He's on third.

Costello: There I go, back on third again!
buzzpaff
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October 3rd, 2011 at 8:20:02 AM permalink
Costello: Would you just stay on third base and don't go off it.

Abbott: All right, what do you want to know?

Costello: Now who's playing third base?

Abbott: Why do you insist on putting Who on third base?

Costello: What am I putting on third.

Abbott: No. What is on second.

Costello: You don't want who on second?

Abbott: Who is on first.

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott & Costello Together:Third base!

PAUSE

Costello: Look, you gotta outfield?

Abbott: Sure.

Costello: The left fielder's name?

Abbott: Why.

Costello: I just thought I'd ask you.

Abbott: Well, I just thought I'd tell ya.

Costello: Then tell me who's playing left field.

Abbott: Who's playing first.

Costello: I'm not... stay out of the infield! I want to know what's the guy's name in left field?

Abbott: No, What is on second.

Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

Abbott: Who's on first!

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott & Costello Together: Third base!
Tiltpoul
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October 4th, 2011 at 5:55:00 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I vote that they are sweating the money. PA casinos, espically Meadows, are killing them. As OH comes online there goes a lot of their remaining base. The place is far too large to be a pure "locals" casino for the Wheeling or even panhandle market. I have heard stories from there and Mountaineer that dealer layoffs are no longer keeping pace with loss of players, meaning staffing even minimum tables is starting to kill toke rates. So you have to figure that the casino hurts as well.



Absolutely agree with this comment. Wheeling Island seems to offer a different craps game every time I go there (not that I go there that often, it's basically an Isle of Capri lite to me, with a FAR worse poker room nowadays). They had $3, 3-4-5 odds for a while, then $5 with 10x odds. My first time (before the PA casinos opened) it was $10 with 5x odds. The foray into $3 was while they were training new dealers, so I got that.

Wheeling Island is not getting "hit" with dice setters. But they do have some people who slow the game immensely. They also have people who play who waste space. There was one guy who worked at least $200 on the 6 and 8, sometimes 9 and 5, that would wait until a shooter got "hot." In about 4 hours I would say his bets were off nearly all the time, only being called "ON" for 3 or 4 rolls. Sometimes he'd turn it on for one roll, then immediately call it off. Players like that eat up space and time, and ultimately money.
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BrooklynJake
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October 4th, 2011 at 6:20:26 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

AP's against the Dark Side. My vote is for the AP's.


That's the point isn't it. The dark side players rely on 7 coming out, as it should, about once every 6 rolls and the aggressive players want something very different. These are games of chance and the probabilities should be real. In addition, setting the dice wastes a lot of time and is quite boring.

Finally, digressing from the topic, the straight men do not get paid more. In fact, Lou Abbott, of Abbott & Costello wanted to rename the the act as Costello and Abbott, fortunately this was not done.

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