Wizard
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June 26th, 2011 at 2:54:30 AM permalink
There are also 21 different hop bets.
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AZDuffman
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June 26th, 2011 at 5:59:05 AM permalink
Quote: roe4eric

i am a dice dealer and have heard numerous number of bets available to a player? does anyone know how many bets are offered to a player in a craps game?

In dice dealing class we were told there were about 95 different bets depending on what was offered (Big 6/8, Fire Bet, etc)
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konceptum
Joined: Mar 25, 2010
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June 26th, 2011 at 11:56:44 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Whatever number you come up with, don't forget the bets for the boys.

With a choice of a two-way or a piggy-back, it seems like you should triple the number...

If you're going to include that, then the number of bets approaches infinity, since the amount of the bet could also be changed.

\$6 place-6, \$12 place-6, \$18 place-6, \$24 place-6 ..... up to table maximum
\$6 place-6 with \$1 place-6 for boys, \$6 place-6 with \$2 place-6 for boys, ....
kaysirtap
Joined: Nov 1, 2011
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November 1st, 2011 at 1:07:16 PM permalink
I personally count 89 bets. A few things to mention about my count:

1) I have not included bets like the horn, horn highs, or world bets as I consider these to be simply combinations of other bets. While dealers learn payout keys for many of these bets and they are printed on the layouts, I don't think they should be counted as separate bets just because the terms have been accepted into the craps world. I think if these bets were to be included, the list could be endless depending on the terms used in different regions/casinos. Hop the 7's, three way craps, Hi-Lo-Yo, across, inside, outside, uptown, downtown... I could start making up my own bets like "Hop the easy evens" and count it if I don't draw the line somewhere.

Yeah, I know - that's like saying that red/black/odd/even should not be counted as separate bets in Roulette either. But the difference to me is that on a \$5 game, you can bet the table minimum on those outside bets, but you cannot spread that same \$5 over all 18 numbers of a given group when betting inside (for those of you who don't know, betting \$18 on black/red/odd/even/1-18/19-36 pays the same as betting \$1 on all 18 of the numbers that fall into the given group). This is unlike a horn bet where the bet can be split.

But what about the C-E? The payout key is typically 3x and 7x for that bet, and dealers let you bet in odd increments (3, 5, 7, 9, etc.) that would not otherwise be possible betting on Any Craps or Yo separately. Yet... the minimum (as far as I know) is \$2 for that bet because the minimum is \$1 each for the C and E. If a player asked for a \$5 split Ace-Deuce/Yo, would the dealer book the bet? In my experience, yes - a boxperson will allow a bet as long as it can be paid. Does that mean I should also include that combination of a bet? You make the call... I haven't included either.

2) I have included Place bets to lose, put bets, Big 6/8, and fire bets even though I know they're not available everywhere.

3) The Pass odds, Don't odds, Come odds, DC odds, place, lay, buy, put, and place to lose bets have all been counted six times. You may never see a buy on the 6/8, and some boxpeople may not even allow it, but they technically exist.

4) Somebody mentioned bets for the dealers, but I do not believe these can be counted. Whether straight up, two-way or piggy backed, they still win/lose/get paid the same as the bets that the players make (except for perhaps the occasional vig).

5) Is Pass the same as Come, and Don't Pass the same as Don't Come? Technically no, they are different bets so I have counted them as such. But in practice they are the same as long as you work your odds on the come out roll. I count them separately.

Here's the list:
Pass Line
Pass Odds 4
Pass Odds 5
Pass Odds 6
Pass Odds 8
Pass Odds 9
Pass Odds 10
Don't Pass
DP Odds 4
DP Odds 5
DP Odds 6
DP Odds 8
DP Odds 9
DP Odds 10
Field
Big 6
Big 8
Come
Come Odds 4
Come Odds 5
Come Odds 6
Come Odds 8
Come Odds 9
Come Odds 10
Don't Come
DC Odds 4
DC Odds 5
DC Odds 6
DC Odds 8
DC Odds 9
DC Odds 10
Place 4
Place 5
Place 6
Place 8
Place 9
Place 10
Lay 4
Lay 5
Lay 6
Lay 8
Lay 9
Lay 10
Put 4
Put 5
Put 6
Put 8
Put 9
Put 10
Any 7
Hop 1-1
Hop 1-2
Hop 1-3
Hop 1-4
Hop 1-5
Hop 1-6
Hop 2-2
Hop 2-3
Hop 2-4
Hop 2-5
Hop 2-6
Hop 3-3
Hop 3-4
Hop 3-5
Hop 3-6
Hop 4-4
Hop 4-5
Hop 4-6
Hop 5-5
Hop 5-6
Hop 6-6
Hard 4
Hard 6
Hard 8
Hard 10
Any Craps
Fire Bet
Place to lose 4
Place to lose 5
Place to lose 6
Place to lose 8
Place to lose 9
Place to lose 10
konceptum
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November 1st, 2011 at 1:12:28 PM permalink
Quote: roe4eric

does anyone know how many bets are offered to a player in a craps game?

Two: Bets that win, and bets that lose.
boymimbo
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
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November 2nd, 2011 at 5:43:03 AM permalink
Let's see:

Pass (1)
Don't Pass (1)
Come (1)
Don't Come (1)
Place (6)
Lay (6)
Put (6)
Field (1)
Big 6/8 (2)
Hardways (4)
C&E (1)
Craps (1)
2, 3, 11, 12 and combinations thereof (Horn, Horn high 2,3,11,12, Three Way, Hi-Lo Yo, etc). (4)
Any 7 / World. (1)
Hops (21)
Fire (1)
All / High / Low (3)

That's 65. If you wanted to count odds on each Come / DC bet that would be 77.
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FatGeezus
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November 2nd, 2011 at 8:10:06 AM permalink
I know what a 'lay bet' is but what is a 'place to lose bet'?

Lay bets pay 1/2 on the 4,10....2/3 on the 5/9....and 5/6 on the 6/8.

What are the payouts on the 'place to lose bets'?
kaysirtap
Joined: Nov 1, 2011
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November 2nd, 2011 at 10:48:04 AM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

I know what a 'lay bet' is but what is a 'place to lose bet'?

Lay bets pay 1/2 on the 4,10....2/3 on the 5/9....and 5/6 on the 6/8.

What are the payouts on the 'place to lose bets'?

Place to lose is essentially the same as a lay bet, just as the Big 6/8 is the same as Place bets on the same number (just with different payouts).
5 to 11 on the 4 & 10....5 to 8 on the 5 & 9....and 4 to 5 on the 6 & 8
FatGeezus
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November 2nd, 2011 at 11:42:41 AM permalink
Quote: kaysirtap

Place to lose is essentially the same as a lay bet, just as the Big 6/8 is the same as Place bets on the same number.
5 to 11 on the 4 & 10....5 to 8 on the 5 & 9....and 4 to 5 on the 6 & 8

Thanks for the info. I've never seen anyone make this bet in all my years of playing.

AC does not have the Big 6 & 8. I know they also don't have 'put bets'. I'll have to ask them about 'place to lay bets'.
kaysirtap
Joined: Nov 1, 2011