pwcrabb
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unJon
September 25th, 2022 at 11:27:13 PM permalink
Try making a Verbal Bet where you play. Ensure that the value in your rails is sufficient to Cover your new obligation. Ensure that the specific Bets and amounts are very clear to your dealer. You may be pleasantly surprised to discover this new courtesy extended to you. Your credit is good. No Cheques need to be moved until after the dice have been returned to the middle of the table.

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unJon
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September 25th, 2022 at 11:30:51 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I guess it's different where I play. Chips to cover a bet must be on the layout.

The disputes happen when a VERBAL bet is made but the chips weren't presented. Then the player could argue it was meant for the next roll.

Hence the argument (request) -- make all bets before the dice are in the shooter's hand.
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Try an experiment next time you are there. Wait for the dice to be passed to the shooter. In a clear voice say: $15 coming. (Or whatever your table min says.) Do not throw chips in. See what your dealer does.

Iíve been able to make a come bet like that 100% of the time Iíve tried in many different casinos. Never played in Red Rock.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
AlanMendelson
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September 26th, 2022 at 12:18:07 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Quote: AlanMendelson

I guess it's different where I play. Chips to cover a bet must be on the layout.

The disputes happen when a VERBAL bet is made but the chips weren't presented. Then the player could argue it was meant for the next roll.

Hence the argument (request) -- make all bets before the dice are in the shooter's hand.
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Try an experiment next time you are there. Wait for the dice to be passed to the shooter. In a clear voice say: $15 coming. (Or whatever your table min says.) Do not throw chips in. See what your dealer does.

Iíve been able to make a come bet like that 100% of the time Iíve tried in many different casinos. Never played in Red Rock.
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Sorry. I won't bet after the shooter has the dice.
unJon
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September 26th, 2022 at 12:37:20 AM permalink
Not even for science?

Thatís fine. But then please donít spread misinformation about what or what not your casino would allow you to verbally bet after the shooter has the dice as if you have authoritative knowledge.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
AlanMendelson
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September 26th, 2022 at 1:17:30 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Not even for science?

Thatís fine. But then please donít spread misinformation about what or what not your casino would allow you to verbally bet after the shooter has the dice as if you have authoritative knowledge.
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Ummm... but I've been there when dealers call no bet... and I've seen a player get trespassed when he argued the point.

But what do I know? I'm outvoted. And I saw a random shooter throw 18 yes in a row.

So I must be wrong.
unJon
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September 26th, 2022 at 2:08:00 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: unJon

Not even for science?

Thatís fine. But then please donít spread misinformation about what or what not your casino would allow you to verbally bet after the shooter has the dice as if you have authoritative knowledge.
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Ummm... but I've been there when dealers call no bet... and I've seen a player get trespassed when he argued the point.

But what do I know? I'm outvoted. And I saw a random shooter throw 18 yes in a row.

So I must be wrong.
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Alan, why did the deal call no bet? Did the person not have clearly visible sufficient chips? So it was actually a call bet. Was the dealer not clear about what was said? Were the dice in the shooters hand so dealer felt it was too late?

Exercise in logic: if the dealer does not accept a verbal bet in one circumstance, does it follow that the casino policy is never accept a verbal bet?

Sigh.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
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September 26th, 2022 at 3:47:45 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: unJon

Not even for science?

Thatís fine. But then please donít spread misinformation about what or what not your casino would allow you to verbally bet after the shooter has the dice as if you have authoritative knowledge.
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Ummm... but I've been there when dealers call no bet... and I've seen a player get trespassed when he argued the point.

But what do I know? I'm outvoted. And I saw a random shooter throw 18 yes in a row.

So I must be wrong.
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Alan, why did the deal call no bet? Did the person not have clearly visible sufficient chips? So it was actually a call bet. Was the dealer not clear about what was said? Were the dice in the shooters hand so dealer felt it was too late?

Exercise in logic: if the dealer does not accept a verbal bet in one circumstance, does it follow that the casino policy is never accept a verbal bet?

Sigh.
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There have been multiple instances for various reasons including...

1.Shooter had the dice
2.Player had previous issues when they made verbal bets then said the dealer erred in which number
3.The eye called and questioned what was going on
4.Call bets are considered verbal and No Call Bets is the policy

As I said previously, a frequent player has been trespassed for making verbal bets, without putting chips on the table EVEN THOUGH HE HAD CHIPS IN THE RAIL and then fighting with the dealers FREQUENTLY when a different number hit -- and not necessarily a 7.

By the way this doesn't mean they don't make exceptions for certain well known players. But the exceptions are isolated and might happen once.

You're talking about a general practice of accepting bets as long as there are chips in the rail. But it doesn't happen.

If anything happens when there is a late bet the box will say TAKE BACK THE DICE to book the late bets.
unJon
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September 26th, 2022 at 3:50:28 AM permalink
Thank you. That all makes sense. Iíve never had a problem making a verbal come or pass line. And Iím not well known at any casino. Never tried a hop but have seen people do it, sometimes accepted and sometimes not by dealer.
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September 26th, 2022 at 5:09:17 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Thank you. That all makes sense. Iíve never had a problem making a verbal come or pass line. And Iím not well known at any casino. Never tried a hop but have seen people do it, sometimes accepted and sometimes not by dealer.
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Do you remember the scandal at Bellagio where dealers were booking hop bets for players and paying them even though they didn't hit?

That scandal led to hop bets being added to craps layouts all over the country. Of course the dealers were fired and if I recall went to prison. (I'm going to check that.)

I don't know of any casino that would book a hop bet without chips covering the actual hop bet combinations.

Edited to add:

Yes. Bellagio dealers got prison.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.reviewjournal.com/crime/former-bellagio-craps-dealer-partners-get-prison-in-craps-scheme/amp/
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September 26th, 2022 at 11:27:11 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Iím glad you quoted this as it looked like Alan and Bill may have missed it, given their later replies did not acknowledge it.
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Thanks, unJon, but I did not miss the definition. I'm still a touch new around here, and still getting used to the etiquette on this forum. No snark, just a quirk of this community I must have missed.

Yes, thank you, PWCrabb and Wiggins for enlightening me. Frankly, I thought "NCB" meant "no verbal bets" mostly because some dealers said so to others who were more fractious when they were 'No Bet' on a given throw. Frankly, I wasn't looking to see what their rails held.

I suppose the fact that I often hold up the chips when I do a verbal bet means I've never had a dealer explain the difference between Call and Verbal in my own personal play over the past 33 years of gambling.

(N.B.: Really, they're 'cheques' and not 'chips', but I will elide the pecksniffian approach here.)

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