Seids44
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September 12th, 2016 at 11:08:52 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Well

/games/craps/appendix/2/

You will lose .07 for each 5 pass line bet. Odds have no he. If you are looking for percentage of total bet them

\$5 with 5x odds will cost you \$1.07 for 3.6%
\$5 with 3x odds will cost you \$1.07 for 5.4%

\$10 with 2x odds will cost you \$1.14 for 3.8%

Thanks. So, compared with this table:

which shows house edge of .374% on my pass/come bets with 3/4/5x odds, you're saying the \$1 ante on a \$5 pass line bet with 3/4/5x odds increases the house edge from under half a point to over three and half points?

Edit: appears I can't post a link until I've a certain number of posts. Was attempting to link to WOO craps strategy table "Combined house edge on pass/come and taking full odds.
GWAE
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September 12th, 2016 at 11:18:21 AM permalink
Quote: Seids44

Thanks. So, compared with this table:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/basics/#toc-Strategy

which shows house edge of .374% on my pass/come bets with 3/4/5x odds, you're saying the \$1 ante on a \$5 pass line bet with 3/4/5x odds increases the house edge from under half a point to over three and half points?

Edit: appears I can't post a link until I've a certain number of posts. Was attempting to link to WOO craps strategy table "Combined house edge on pass/come and taking full odds.

That is correct. That \$1 on a \$30 total bet is 3.3%
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Seids44
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September 12th, 2016 at 11:33:15 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

That is correct. That \$1 on a \$30 total bet is 3.3%

Thanks...that ante is significant, then, at the stakes I'd play...I'll stick with the electronic version, no ante, double odds...looks like combined house edge on pass/come with double odds of .606%.
GWAE
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September 12th, 2016 at 11:54:25 AM permalink
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Thanks...that ante is significant, then, at the stakes I'd play...I'll stick with the electronic version, no ante, double odds...looks like combined house edge on pass/come with double odds of .606%.

Are you sure that the electronic version plays fair and is not a slot or bingo game? If so then yes you are better off there.
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Seids44
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September 12th, 2016 at 11:59:24 AM permalink
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Are you sure that the electronic version plays fair and is not a slot or bingo game? If so then yes you are better off there.

Am I sure? Not at all. Anecdotally it appears fair, and displays the machine's "longest rolls" on the screen, and I've personally seen multiple shooters go over 30 rolls. That means nothing of course. Any idea how I could find out for sure? I am told that the machine pays players' card points and comps at a slot-machine level versus table games, whatever that means.
GWAE
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September 12th, 2016 at 12:02:38 PM permalink
I think each jurisdiction is different. It sounds like you are in OK. I am not familiar with all of their rules. A slot attend or players club may tell you.
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ahiromu
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September 12th, 2016 at 1:06:36 PM permalink
I would be absolutely shocked if an ecraps game that looked normal actually played like a pull tab.

The only expected loss you will experience on the pass line is the pass line bet itself and the potential \$1 ante (odds are always a wash). Without the ante, your expected loss on a \$10 bet is 14 cents... with an ante, it's 114 cents. Variance notwithstanding, you would lose less money betting \$80 without an ante vs. \$10 with an ante. When it comes to the pass line and odds, I've found the house edge is a foolish value to consider, just look at how much you are expected to lose per round. Long story short, antes ruin table games.
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betwthelines
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September 13th, 2016 at 3:38:40 AM permalink
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Real casinos. Three examples (all Oklahoman casinos) are Winstar World in Thackerville, Choctaw in Durant, and Hard Rock in Tulsa.

thanks for this info...i might be passing through oklahoma this winter...this saves me an unnecessary stop to check out the craps tables or lack thereof...no way would i pay a pass line ante

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Seids44
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September 13th, 2016 at 4:10:09 AM permalink
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Quote: Seids44

Real casinos. Three examples (all Oklahoman casinos) are Winstar World in Thackerville, Choctaw in Durant, and Hard Rock in Tulsa.

thanks for this info...i might be passing through oklahoma this is saves me an unnecessary stop to check out the craps tables or lack way would i pay a pass line ante

tom p

Yup. The combination of the ante and their "no dice" rule (card craps) makes it especially unappealing. The only viable option is Choctaw's ecraps machines, which do limit you to full double odds. Neither of the other two mentioned offer ecraps, however.
beachbumbabs
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September 13th, 2016 at 10:05:12 AM permalink
Quote: betwthelines

Quote: Seids44

Real casinos. Three examples (all Oklahoman casinos) are Winstar World in Thackerville, Choctaw in Durant, and Hard Rock in Tulsa.

thanks for this info...i might be passing through oklahoma this winter...this saves me an unnecessary stop to check out the craps tables or lack thereof...no way would i pay a pass line ante

tom p

The Doublestream Resort, in the MO-KS-OK corner, among others, pays the ante for you if you play rated. And their games have good paytables. Not sure DSR has craps, though. They do have ecraps. They also have both Class I I and Class III slots, but only a couple banks of the II's.

The ante is a fee charged by the state. Still affects the HE, but you're not paying extra into the casino's vault, fwiw.
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