DeMango
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October 26th, 2014 at 4:24:28 AM permalink
Thank you Mr Left, we will not visit your casino, and instead visit the friendlier folks to your left in Ontario!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
MrLeft
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October 26th, 2014 at 5:14:22 AM permalink
lol .. well .. if your intention is to cheat .. then please do enjoy your time there! ;)

Gaming integrity goes both ways .. I've fought for calls in the players favour just as often than the other way around!

Only an idiot casino employee tries to cheat a customer .. the games are made to for the casino to win a fixed percentage over time .. no need for the casino to fix things if you have a large enough casino with volume. In fact it's always more fun to have people wining around you .. and it's totally fine that people win .. because it just means that others are losing (probably on a black jack table somewhere .. lol).


PS .. I'm actually facing West right now .. so it's AC on my left .. and at this rate another 2 years there won't be any more casinos for you to visit there! Maybe because they lost too much money to cheaters! ;)
MrLeft
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October 26th, 2014 at 5:16:06 AM permalink
Quote: MrLeft

Only an idiot casino employee tries to cheat a customer ..



Just to comment on my own quote .. lol .. I'll be the first to say that there are a large number of casino employees who are idiots .. but it really isn't geo-specific .. you'll find just as many in Vegas or Niagara Falls as you will in Montreal! ;)
RonC
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October 26th, 2014 at 6:05:08 AM permalink
I'm tired of comments that seem to justify craps (or any other) dealers having a bad attitude because they get paid "shit" for their work.

I don't care. Not at all. If you don't like the pay for your job, go get another one. It is a big world out there; you don't have to be a dealer nor do you have to work at McDonalds or Walmart. You don't have to "grow up" to be a surly pit critter. You decided to be in the industry or to stay in it...deal the game and leave all the other bullshit behind. Make the right call, take care of what you are supposed to take care of, and just do your freaking job.

If the dealers act like asses, I walk to where they have a better attitude or I laugh at them being asses. If the dealers are good, we have a good game. I don't care if they are only acting nice; that shows they know their job.
Zer0
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October 26th, 2014 at 8:03:43 AM permalink
One time I was dice setting and I had a brain fart and reached in with my other hand, the pit crew were NOT happy.
superrick
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October 26th, 2014 at 12:19:48 PM permalink
Hit the back wall Can be a fact of life, here in Vegas! But it all depends on the casino and the crew.

While one casino is even hassling the so-called random rollers, their sister casino don't say a thing if you miss the back wall every once in a while.

Learn to play at casinos that are not hassling you don't go to the sweat joints that may be within walking distance of where you live.

If you are setting the dice every one of your shots should hit the back wall, but there will be times that when you are hitting the back wall with every one of your shots the boxman or dealers will start in telling you to hit the back wall, don't say anything to them just throw the dice a little harder.


Some of these boxmen love to play head games with their shooters, by telling them to hit the back wall. These guys are running off good players by doing so, and they don't understand the game. The dice bounce all over the place when they hit the table and they don't even need to hit the back wall to make them random!

Slow motion videos of dice shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag

All of this hit the back wall BS came about because of all the fiction that is written about the so-called DI's. Our great fiction writers are telling everybody that they are taking hundreds of thousands of dollars off the craps tables a year! Way to funny if you ask me!
The casinos read the books and these boards that have anything to do with playing craps and lets not forget BJ.

So anymore hitting the back wall is just a part of the game. Sure you're going to run into suites and boxmen that don't get it, the same thing goes for dealers that are trying to move up to sitting box! Every one of your shots should hit the back wall on every shot you make, if every once in a while you happen to miss it, you should be the one that points it out to the crew.

Don't be on the offense, always be on the defense, by just saying damit hit the back wall fool, I must be getting tired. Then make sure you hit the back wall on your next shot.

Look there will be times that everybody on the other side of the table wants to see you seven out, if the table is really dumping. So they may start in with you got to hit the back wall even when you are, then they tell you that they will take the dice off you if you miss the back wall one time. It's really bad for their business when they start doing that. There is nothing like getting the whole table mad at them if they take the dice off the shooter because they are on a lucky roll.

There are some casinos that I will not play at because of all the things they try to do when a shooter is on a roll. Some of these boxmen and suits think that their a cooler and will try anything the can to get you to seven out.

There was a suit that would sit box when anybody was on a roll at Boulder Station, everybody hated that guy, he was running off players left and right. Guess what they fired him, so some time management does the right thing! My advice would be to move your game around, after all you have so many casinos to chose from here in Vegas! Find a few that does not hassle you when you are shooting, there are quite a few out there that have good crews working the tables.

Living in and around Vegas can create a problem for anybody that sets the dice if they are any good at shooting, don't go to the tables with a bunch of so-called DI's, you are only going to get hassled even more by doing so. They will include you as a DI if anybody got on a lucky roll when you were with them! Then you have to live with the stigma of being a shooter that they have to watch out for when you are shooting, way after your buddies go home.

Always be very pleasant with the crew when you are playing craps, don't get offended when they tell you to hit the back wall, you can avoid a lot of harassment by just letting it run off your back, and by hitting the back wall on every shot you make. Some of the casinos here can be real hell holes for anybody that sets the dice.

Pm me and I will tell you a few casinos to stay out of, they are nothing but sweat joints!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
Daddydoc
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October 26th, 2014 at 6:34:19 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

If you want to set and be less bothered, go when things are slower, and toke the crew from time to time.



Agreed. I generally set the dice quickly, if I do so at all. Even so, I get a lot more slack for minor infractions (not hitting the back wall, making call bets, etc.) when I have thrown a few cheques out for the dealers. I never worked in a casino, but I waited tables long enough to know that it is easier to pay more attention to people who are giving you money than those who are not.
If government is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.
DiceSteve44
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October 26th, 2014 at 7:52:55 PM permalink
I set the dice quickly too. I do not get much heat. There is one pit boss on the strip who likes to bother me.
He was watching me, so I made special care to hit the backwall. One time I had a leaner die. His new command is they must hit the wall harder.
He claimed they needed to bounce of the wall. Hitting it lightly was not good enough for him.
MrLeft
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October 27th, 2014 at 1:48:12 AM permalink
That's why I love the law we have in Montreal .. it's a clear law and a clear rule .. if it doesn't hit .. it's a no role .. everyone knows that and nobody takes it personally. The fun is never taken out of the game by a "decision" seven or a "decision" no-roll for a winning point!

I think we take the dice away from people like once a month .. but mostly drunk fools who don't hit the back 5+ times in the same roll.

If it's an old person who is obviously trying then we're a little more patient.


We don't have any of the negative stories some of you are describing. Even when tourists come up .. they get used to the rule pretty quick. After I tell them the reason I prefer the rule (that it takes away the ability for the CASINO to cheat) then they are always good with it!

Because honestly .. whether consciously or subconsciously, the result the dice lands on WILL affect the way a box/dealer calls a roll vs no-roll .. and that is where the game loses it's integrity completely!
Bohemian
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October 27th, 2014 at 9:30:10 AM permalink
Quote: MrLeft

That's why I love the law we have in Montreal .. it's a clear law and a clear rule .. if it doesn't hit .. it's a no role .. everyone knows that and nobody takes it personally. The fun is never taken out of the game by a "decision" seven or a "decision" no-roll for a winning point!



Exactly! Clear Rules.

However, there is no such law or regulation in Nevada similar to the one in Indiana - below is a page from the Gaming regulations for Indiana:

Quote: 68 IAC 10-4-4 Proper and invalid rolls of dice


68 IAC 10-4-4 Proper and invalid rolls of dice

Authority: IC 4-33-4-1; IC 4-33-4-2; IC 4-33-4-3
Affected: IC 4-33

Sec. 4. (a) The shooter shall throw the two (2) selected dice to the far end of the table for the purpose of bouncing the dice off the backboard of the craps table. The shooter must make a good faith attempt to bounce the dice off the backboard of the craps table.

(b) A roll of the dice shall be deemed invalid if one (1) of the following occurs:

(1) One (1) or both of the dice go off of the craps table.
(2) If more than two (2) dice are thrown.

(c) The stickperson may declare the following rolls invalid:

(1) If one (1) of the die comes to rest on top of the other die.
(2) If a patron other than the shooter throws the dice.
(3) If the dice do not leave the shooter's hand simultaneously.
(4) If one (1) or both dice come to rest in the dice bowl.
(5) If one (1) or both dice come to rest on the rail of the craps table.
(6) If the shooter has not placed a pass bet or don't pass bet.
(7) If the shooter throws the dice in the wrong direction on the craps table.
(8.) If the shooter slides the dice across the table so that one (1) or both of the dice do not roll or tumble.
(9) If one (1) or both dice do not fall flat on the craps table, but rest on the chips or tokens stacked on the craps table.
(10) If the shooter does not make a good faith attempt to bounce the dice off the backboard and the dice are not thrown at least one-half (½) the length of the craps table.
(11) If the dice come to rest in a manner that it cannot be determined which face of the die is uppermost. The stickperson's declaration of an invalid roll may be overturned in accordance with section 5 of this rule.

(Indiana Gaming Commission; 68 IAC 10-4-4; filed Oct 30, 1997, 12:40 p.m.: 21 IR 924; errata filed Feb 6, 1998)



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