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May 23rd, 2014 at 2:15:43 AM permalink
I only get to a casino about 10-20 days per year, and had backed off to about 3 per year the last 5. So I make it count. If I lived somewhere they had them, I would probably just make an evening of it and go more often, but I don't, so when I travel to play, I PLAY.
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djatc
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May 23rd, 2014 at 2:43:43 AM permalink
Quote: RS

From my red-chipping days playing rated, I'd usually get between $5-$25 free bet / match play coupons, usually 3-5/month (3 $25 ones or 5 $5 ones, for example).

Since my betting level has increased lately (black chip average bet), I get $50-$100 free bets, usually 4-5/month. Not much action is required (time wise), either. Then again, I could be getting rated on my max bets (above black).



Holy hell!!





If you're playing for comps or plan on playing for comps....do it the RIGHT way! Make sure you're being rated properly (or in other words, higher than avg), rat-hole chips so they think you're a loser, and be nice [friendly + tokes]! You'll get rated shittily if you're an asshole + doesn't tip. If you're a nice guy, have fun, don't swear, don't make the dealer / suits "remind" you about stuff (use proper etiquette), you'll get rated better. Don't be the guy who buys in with wrinkled 5s, 10s, and 20s every few hands for $40 each time. Be the person who buys in for $200 with two crisp $100 bills. Hell, lots of times they won't even rate you if your buy in is below some certain amount.



But are you counting cards, or just gambling? I can't imagine a black chipper getting away with being rated and counting at the same time, but then again I'm very oblivious to high limit play. Seems like the underlying theme to table game match/free bets is they send you enough for 1 average bet, to start off the session.

I've always wondered if most pit bosses used to be dealers, and are sympathetic to players who toke dealers more. How much leeway can they give a player who is nice, polite, and pretty much provides the dealer a pleasant time win or lose? Can they turn a $5 average bettor into a $25, or even higher? Also regarding ratholing, how much % of your buy-in is a good amount to rathole, and are there any ways for the pit to find out if you've been doing it while you are still there?

Many of my requests for comps have been learned from Jean Scott, who says to ask if the action you've provided was enough for a comp. Usually I'll ask in a way that suggests I know I might be asking for too much, but all factors involving what I wrote above indicate it might be possible. Most people just seem to bark out orders for comps to hosts and they have no choice but to put up with it if the player has enough action, and I prefer not to go that route. Why make their jobs difficult and give them reasons to turn down a request?
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AxiomOfChoice
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May 23rd, 2014 at 9:40:09 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

But are you counting cards, or just gambling? I can't imagine a black chipper getting away with being rated and counting at the same time, but then again I'm very oblivious to high limit play. Seems like the underlying theme to table game match/free bets is they send you enough for 1 average bet, to start off the session.



I play rated all the time. I play blackjack for black chips or higher.

Honestly, I think that, at those stakes, I think it looks more suspicious if you don't play rated. The comps are good and everyone knows it; why would you not take advantage of them? The first thing that they are going to think is that you must be up to something. I have overheard what happens in a pit where someone playing for high limits refuses to give a card. There are tons of phone calls and they are all talking about how to find out who the guy is. Surveillance gets involved, etc. I heard a pit boss call the cage and say, when he cashes out, tell him that you need his id, photocopy it, and send it to us. This particular guy was playing for yellow ($1000) chips and refused to give id or a players card.

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I've always wondered if most pit bosses used to be dealers, and are sympathetic to players who toke dealers more. How much leeway can they give a player who is nice, polite, and pretty much provides the dealer a pleasant time win or lose? Can they turn a $5 average bettor into a $25, or even higher? Also regarding ratholing, how much % of your buy-in is a good amount to rathole, and are there any ways for the pit to find out if you've been doing it while you are still there?



I don't know about blackjack, but I have overheard conversations at the craps table about how much to rate someone when they leave. In craps people are changing their bets all the time (pressing when they win) so the average bet is always just a guess, so there is definitely some leeway. I have definitely heard "he was a nice guy" come up in the discussion of how to rate someone, so I think it definitely helps.

Of course if you are flat-betting at a game like blackjack, that is probably going to be your rating no matter how nice you are. But if there is some guesswork involved as to your actual bet, they are going to be nicer to the people that they like more.
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May 23rd, 2014 at 12:12:59 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Has anyone gotten anything decent (free rooms, or freebet/matchplays) from red chip action? How long did you play? What did you play?


You can get free rooms from CET casinos as a red-chipper, just at their cheaper properties. Your rewards credits (i.e. MONEY you can spend at the resort) will be pretty slim, but they clearly have tons of room inventory to unload.
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