sodawater
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June 7th, 2013 at 11:16:50 PM permalink
OK, it's plainly obvious that people do NOT win or lose $3 million at Caesar's Palace "every day." The floorman was exaggerating.
AlanMendelson
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June 8th, 2013 at 1:38:42 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

OK, it's plainly obvious that people do NOT win or lose $3 million at Caesar's Palace "every day." The floorman was exaggerating.



I didnt think you would take the comment that people win three million dollars every day "literally" just as I didn't. But it makes me smile that you might have. :-)
Venthus
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June 8th, 2013 at 2:16:43 AM permalink
I can totally believe that lots (well, relatively) of people win 3m at Caesar's a day... they also probably lose like, 3.01m that same session.

Now, walking out of there with +/-3m is a totally different story.
FrankScoblete
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June 8th, 2013 at 2:17:18 AM permalink
The most I ever saw was at Venetian. Some Hollywood producer lost 1.4 million in one night and not a very long night. His average wager was somewhere around 50-60K. He bet on all the numbers; all the crazy crapper bets too. He didn't mind that I was playing at the table with him but his side of the table was reserved. He had certain rules too. The stickman could not be changed while he was shooting, he had to wait until the fellow sevened out; cocktail waitresses had to serve from his right. When these rules were broken, he went ballistic; screaming at the dealers and boxman. Not a pleasant guy. Waitresses got everything right but this guy was a crummy tipper.

How did I shoot? I was awful and helped him lose some money. I took the dice four times, sevened out quickly and then just stood around and watched.

Then there was a Japanese porn star at Bellagio. He made the proper bets; Pass Line / Come bets with full odds but he kept going so he could cover all the numbers. His Pass/Come bet was 5K then he took those odds. He did not lose 1.4 million but he did lose. He also put on a show with two of his ladies of the morning who were dressed in an undressed kind-of way (this was around 10 o'clock). I was there with my "Five Horsemen" team of Dominator, Stickman, Nick@Night and Skinny. How did we shoot? Awful.
NokTang
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June 8th, 2013 at 2:17:46 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

even in the 1990s ... maybe even moreso than today... Caesars had $100 tables operating in the Palace casino.

So why are you questioning whether there are high rollers at Caesars? If any casino in Vegas is known for its high rollers at craps, it's Caesars.

Granted, Caesars isn't what it used to be. You can find plenty of $10 tables there now, even on Saturday nights and holiday weekends. They even let low rollers like me in to play.



Hi Alan. Again...to refresh your memory and context....

1. I've played at those $100.usd craps min tables in the Palace casino. Most recently during the fight weekend, Thomas Hernes vs. Sugar Ray Leonard.

2. There is a difference between "high rollers" and losing millions of dollars on one hand(same shooter, several points made etc.).

3. Having been on the "inside" with some of Caesars representatives, suffice to say it's more hype and show than reality. Sure, they get some high rollers but they have a lot of $100,000. credit line players which makes them rich. Binions was know for high rollers at craps, not Caesars back then. Now, I don't know.

4. The floorman was treating you like a pest by refusing to give you a straight answer.

5. Continued personal attacks aren't required. They don't work, this is the internet. Only amuse those in a circle.

I wish you well but your stories are difficult to believe and I don't find them entertaining. That doesn't mean I'm asking you to cease making them up. You've obviously been at it for years. There is an ounce of believability in some of them and new people are gullible enough to think you are being sincere. Keep it up if it turns you on and entertains them of course, which it must. Now about those million dollar plaques was it you who saw two of them at Caesars or another member?
NokTang
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June 8th, 2013 at 2:29:19 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Now about those million dollar plaques was it you who saw two of them at Caesars or another member?



Hi Alan. Here is the story you provided a link to. I think you wrote it and experienced it? Anyhow, it's an example of what I'm talking about i.e. "stories".

Have a nice night.

(posted by Alan I think)
Date: 2003-07-21 19:04:17 PST
Sunday morning at around 3:30am till about 5am I had the session of a lifetime playing craps at Caesars Palace. No, I didnt win any money. In fact, I think I lost thirty or forty dollars. Still, it was the session I will talk about for the rest of my life.
Me and two buddies from work had just finished LOSING in the Palace casino at Caesars when we went for a walk and wandered over to the Forum casino at Caesars. Usually the two craps tables at the Forum side are closed at that time of the morning. But this time one of the tables was open and when we got to the table the young crowd was hooting and hollering and exchanging high-fives.
I walked up to the table with my friends and noticed that there were very few chips on the table. It was a ten dollar min table and most of the players had only two red chips on the pass line, and very few place, come, field or horn bets.
I couldnt understand why all the laughter??
Then my eyes went to the end of the table, next to the Dont Come box and that's when I saw a sight I had never seen before and will never forget:

The player had his rail filled with large purple chips chips about double the size of normal chips at Caesars. I was standing next to the stick and asked him, "what denomination?"
"25-thousand," he told me.
Then my eyes went to the boxman who had marker chips placed in front of him. Sometimes, when they have a big credit player, they just place marker chips down in front of the boxman instead of asking the player to sign a marker each time.
In front of the boxman were some big marker chips. There was one for 25,000 and another for 100,000 and another for 200,000 and some smaller markers for 10,000. But that's not what got my attention.
What got my attention was a white tile, like a bathroom tile. And on the white tile was written 1,000,000.
Yes, this don't player had markers for more than a million dollars, and it looked like more than a million was in his rail.
He wasn't shooting, and as I walked up to the table the dice passed to a young girl to my right. She placed ten dollars on the passline and rolled. She loaded up the table with points. Mr Millionaire loaded up the table with don't come bets on each of the points. And then he said to the shooter, "seven out now for a thousand dollars."
She sevened out. He tossed her a yellow chip ($1,000 at Caesars).

Then the next player. Seven out. $1,000 chip.
Now I understood why this table of ten dollar players was so excited. They were getting a payoff of a grand each time they sevened-out. What a deal.

Then the dice came to me. Well, I didnt want to get involved in a betting game like this, but I do like throwing the dice. So I set my cross-sixes and rolled. And rolled. And rolled. And after I loaded up the table with points, I kept rolling. After I had cost Mr Millionaire about $350,000 he said to me from across the table "$1,000 for a seven out."

I set my dice and sevened out. But NO yellow chip came my way.

"Sir," I said. "You offered me a thousand dollars for a seven?" He ignored me.
The dice passed to the next player, and he was in on the deal from the beginning. He threw a few points and then started chanting, "seven, seven, seven."
But no seven. He kept throwing points. He kept throwing points for ten minutes, and then Mr Millionaire's rail was empty, and he asked for ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS.
They gave it to him. Another million in $25,000 chips and some chocolate chips ($5,000) for good measure. The delivery from the cage came in a matter of minutes.
The players guard (supplied by Caesars) stood behind Mr Millionaire throughout .
Mr Millionaire was back in the game, but now he had markers of more than two million dollars, and a second white tile with 1,000,000 on it on the table.

Now, the lucky player had sevened out and the dice passed to the next player.

This next player was also lucky. In just a few minutes, MrMillionaire was down another half million dollars. He was getting nervous.

Then the table turned, and the dice went around the table rather quickly.

It was my turn to roll again. I set my cross-sixes on the table but before I picked up the dice, I looked at Mr Millionaire and said, "You never gave me the thousand dollar chip before?" He ignored me.
I picked up the dice and rolled. Yo. Seven. Seven. And then the points. A couple of them repeated immediately.
The dealers were urging me to place bets on the numbers. No, I was going to just keep my ten dollars on the passline.
The numbers were loaded once again. And he whispered across the table a theatrical whisper that everyone could hear. "Seven out now." And then he winked. I set my dice and sevened out.
But again, no yellow chip. He intently watched the dealer pay off his dont come bets and ignored my repeated request. "Hey' where's my chip?" No reaction from him. "This is the second time," I protested. No reaction.

Two more players rolled, and then Mr Millionaire colored up. His markers were paid off, and he had a profit of $112,000 on his adventure. Some of the other players at the table had yellow chips. Some only got a white ($500) chip.

I got nothing.
When Mr Millionaire and his guard and his casino host walked away from the table, so did all of the other players leaving just me and my two buddies with the dealers and the three floormen, supervisor and boxman.

What a creep he stiffed me. But what was even worse was how he treated the dealers. Yes, he tipped them, but his tip was only one yellow chip. One thousand dollars.
I said to the dealers they really got it bad. They shook their heads, and commented theyve seen all kinds.
It was the session of a lifetime. cheers, alan
AlanMendelson
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June 8th, 2013 at 2:50:13 AM permalink
Yes, I wrote it. You don't believe me? Are you calling me a liar? Are you saying that I started this lie years ago and continued it to this day? Would you say this was a "big lie" because I started it years ago and continued to tell it on several different discussion forums about craps? Does the lie about the the big player at Caesars also make me a liar about seeing a random shooter throw a yo 18 times in a row? Are you trying to build your case that I am nothing but a liar with big fish stories about craps?

The other guys with me were also reporters and cameramen from KCAL-TV. It was a weekend trip for the "news guys." I'd be happy to put you in touch with the other guys who were with me. Maybe we are all liars. After all... if you weren't there, and if you didn't see it, then I must be lying.

Oh, and when I quote someone from Caesars it isn't a floorman.

And if you want to check me out... check the archives of the Las Vegas Review Journal for its stories about craps at Caesars and most recently about the dice sliding case at Wynn. I don't lie. And I don't have to lie to get attention or anyone's respect.
NokTang
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June 8th, 2013 at 5:48:37 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Yes, I wrote it. You don't believe me? Are you calling me a liar? Are you saying that I started this lie years ago and continued it to this day? Would you say this was a "big lie" because I started it years ago and continued to tell it on several different discussion forums about craps? Does the lie about the the big player at Caesars also make me a liar about seeing a random shooter throw a yo 18 times in a row? Are you trying to build your case that I am nothing but a liar with big fish stories about craps?



Hello. Please don't get so upset. No one is calling you a liar. We simply can tell, those of us who have been around the block, that you are making the stories up aka "fiction". Writing fiction isn't a lie in my book. Keep it up, no worries.
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June 8th, 2013 at 9:01:02 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Hello. Please don't get so upset. No one is calling you a liar. We simply can tell, those of us who have been around the block, that you are making the stories up aka "fiction". Writing fiction isn't a lie in my book. Keep it up, no worries.

When someone says he witnessed something and you say he is making it up, that is by all conventions calling him a liar. There are no two ways about that. Especially seeing as how you do not have even a scintilla of evidence to keep broadcasting your claim.
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June 8th, 2013 at 9:59:42 AM permalink
Winning big at Caesar's and actually getting paid form Caesar's are two different things.

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