Jimbo
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May 14th, 2013 at 4:23:37 PM permalink
I still say that at casinos where I customarily play, put bets are allowed. I will readily admit that I don't see it that often. But I have not seen the put bet disallowed.

I happened to be at Horseshoe Hammond last week after a meeting in Chicago, and another player bet the put bet. Nothing was said. The dealer put the number.

Incidentally, it would be silly to do put bets on the Strip with only 3x-4x-5x odds, since your are just as good or better off placing the number--and you then have the option of taking down the number at any time with the place bet. Whereas the put bet is a contract bet and cannot be taken down (though of course the odds can be taken down at any time the same as with a passline bet).

I called a good friend of mine today who is the table games director at a casino in the Midwest. He has taught dealers in Illinois. He has opened more than a dozen casinos throughout the Midwest. He has worked in Vegas and Reno. I believe he has worked at some 20 casinos in his career.

I asked him specifically if he has ever disallowed or restricted put bets. He said no. He said he does not consider the "advantage" of odds on the put bet--since odds can be taken down at anytime and even though the addition of the odds reduces the overall house edge on the overall bet, he looks to the flat bet in deciding what the house edge is and there is no reason--in his view--not to accept the put bet.

Apparently there are casinos which disagree with this position, as attested to in the other posts. I can only speak to my own experience.
Ahigh
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May 14th, 2013 at 4:30:16 PM permalink
You think that's stupid? Here's something even more crazy! At the Stratosphere, if you have 10x odds on any come bet, they won't let you make an additional PLACE bet on top of it.

The dealers and the pit boss all got in an argument about how stupid this rule was, but that's the rule over there.

I made the point that they should book any bet with an edge no matter if a free bet is already taken or not(!!!) No matter even if the free bet is at the table limit (which it doesn't have to be just at max of 10x odds).

So $5 travels to the six and you have $50 odds, you can't even make another $6 place bet on top of that at the Stratosphere.

It always depends on the casino, but you might find more restrictions are in place than those that are enforced anyway.

Many dealers don't even know all the stupid rules the casinos want them to follow. They certainly don't know all the why's.
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May 14th, 2013 at 5:04:20 PM permalink
Quote: Bohemian

Jimbo, my Put bet was disallowed at Harrahs Las Vegas. In my case the pit boss did not allow the put bet.

My situation was twofold. One day at Harrah's a random roller was on a large roll and my Place bet on the 10 reached table Max of 5,000. On the next 10, I took part of my pay and asked the dealer to make a separate put bet in addition to my Place bet. The dealer booked the Put bet and I was able to keep my Place bet of 5,000 in addition to getting my Put bet Up to 2,800 before the seven out. The Pit boss monitored both payouts several times and had no concern with double bets on the 10.

Within 8 Days at the same casino a precision shooter got on a roll and my Place bet on the 9 hit table max at 5,000 again. This time a different pit boss at the same casino would not allow my put bet despite my urging.



Wow. Koga Ninja? That is some action I would like to see first hand.
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cclub79
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May 14th, 2013 at 5:04:45 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

In those 8 days, they might have sent a memo to the floor people.

FYI: I tend to agree with the latter decision.



Not a bright casino. Someone wants to bet a lot while leaving their higher edge place bet up at $5000? And you say no and risk them taking down a $5000 Place bet on the 9? And leaving and never putting another 5000 place bet up ever again?
TIMSPEED
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May 14th, 2013 at 5:05:13 PM permalink
I know MSS won't let you make a "put" bet, stating that with 20x odds its better than a place bet...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
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May 14th, 2013 at 5:10:32 PM permalink
Yeah, and just getting one dealer to let you do it means nothing. The policy is what's in question.

I mean after all, about 1 in 20 dealers will bring come bets down if the box man would allow it here in Vegas there are SO many break-ins!
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TIMSPEED
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May 14th, 2013 at 5:13:29 PM permalink
Come bets that never travel are the best kind!!
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
Bohemian
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May 14th, 2013 at 5:13:31 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

In those 8 days, they might have sent a memo to the floor people.

FYI: I tend to agree with the latter decision.



DJTeddyBear, nextshooter.com disagrees with you.

Quote: nextshooter.com

It is possible to exceed what a player might consider maximum by making another wager, even on the same number.

If you do so, the boxman and floorpeople might frown on this a bit but you should hold your ground that the limit applies to individual wagers.



www.nextshooter.com/oddsandlimits
DJTeddyBear
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May 14th, 2013 at 7:58:40 PM permalink
Quote: Bohemian

DJTeddyBear, nextshooter.com disagrees with you.

Is that a House Rule or a Gaming Commission Rule?

I assume the former. If it's the latter, then I retract my earlier comment.


FWIW, I'm also a poker player. There are a LOT of poker rules that vary from casino to casino.
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May 15th, 2013 at 1:37:15 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

Come bets that never travel are the best kind!!



I do not understand a come bet that never travels?
66 inside Booooooom Seven out!!!!

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