petroglyph
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October 26th, 2013 at 10:46:49 AM permalink
@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.
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October 26th, 2013 at 12:02:13 PM permalink
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@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.



I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.
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October 26th, 2013 at 12:18:52 PM permalink
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I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.


I fully agree with Barbara: people tend to view the world in terms of their own identity when we're all just people. Me thinks the male of the species can be ruthless bastards, depending on the individual.
And most people have a "strong sense of the self" or a "strong concept of the self," where many innocent dealer mistakes or misinterpreted comments go to the pit boss with indignant outrage and umbrage when not a thing actually went on. Just People validating themselves at others' expense.

I tell you, working as a dealer IS a demanding job; it can be VERY hard to keep people happy and entertained while they are their sweating their own money with booze in their system - and anything unhappy is ALL the dealer's fault to be reported to management.

Thanks!
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October 26th, 2013 at 12:37:11 PM permalink
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I notice it more in men



I expected a woman to actually agree that women are worse, so maybe it is a factor of the opposite sex having the greater power to twist the knife ... causing a misperception.
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October 26th, 2013 at 1:16:48 PM permalink
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@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.





I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.




Is it possible that this opinion is heavily influenced by your professional dealings with pilots? Is it maybe a harbored resentment of authority?

Like Dan said people are just people, and also yep some men are ruthless bastards at times.
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November 6th, 2013 at 3:58:16 PM permalink
Wow...didn't think everything had to be so serious on a craps table. It usually isn't on mine.

Yes, get comfortable with it, and then go with the crazy stick calls later. Usually, people won't be as offended as you think, as long as it's not too off-color. I usually go through the complete call and then may crack a joke at the end.

Probably the most borderline stick call I've ever heard is for the hard 6: "Colombian breakfast, two white lines." Also called the "Charlie Sheen breakfast."

Others I hear:
Five, rolled 3-2: "Waitress, a tray and a pair."
Easy 4: "Mormon marriage, 3 on 1."
One less off-color one I invented that some people seemed to like is for 12: "The Congress roll; it's full of crap."

At my table, though, we tend to use some internal slang for groups of bets.
Hard 6, 8, 10 is the Brazilian (no fur/4.)
Hard 4, 8, 10: the champagne room. (Think about it.)
We had a dealer from the hills of West Virginia who called the 2 "possum eyes," and it caught on.
The 3 craps is the "Australian yo."

As for the gender differences...let's just say that some of the women who deal at my casino are filthier than any man. Some, that is.
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November 6th, 2013 at 5:03:44 PM permalink
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@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.





I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.




Is it possible that this opinion is heavily influenced by your professional dealings with pilots? Is it maybe a harbored resentment of authority?

Like Dan said people are just people, and also yep some men are ruthless bastards at times.



Again in my opinion, no. I do notice women who do this; I see it more often in men, specifically referring to casino play.

I was very bad about political correctness issues; I preferred funny to PC, so I have a different outlook on minor irritations than most. I got disciplined, at various times, for:

We had a checklist we were required to brief item by item. Most of it was carryover, and only a status change needed to be mentioned. In the meantime, the airplanes didn't stop flying. (d'oh). So, a person would run a finger down the checklist saying, "none" "none", "none", "none", "none", "traffic....". I was moving fast one day and said, "Catholic briefing: traffic..." (you'll get there..). Apparently not OK, though the Catholic guy I was briefing thought it was hysterical. Ding.

Same airport had a jet engine test hangar on the military side. Huge clouds of grey, black, or white smoke would issue from the vents when they were working on engines. One day a pilot asked me what that was. I said, "Apparently they're picking a new Pope." Ding.

The fire department had CFR exercises where they would burn black tires and steel beams, even wrecked fuselages for practice on putting out fires with airplane components. It would put up oily smoke on the field. A pilot asked what that was, and I said, "That's the last guy who didn't follow instructions." Ding.

We had slogans for our job, same as many others, like "Air traffic controller: we haven't left one up there yet." or "Air Traffic Controller: we keep 'em separated." Bumper sticker sayings and such. I had a license plate frame made for my car that said, "Female Air Traffic Controller: You get it up, I'll guide it in." I was given the choice of removing it immediately or being charged with sexual harassment. A screwdriver was placed in my hand. Ding.

One of my favorites, for which they never proved responsibility, was prior to an Air Force One arrival, they plug in a special phone that's live to the White House; just needs the handset out of the cradle, as the telephone line's hard-wired direct. I carefully cut out and pasted a bat-signal on the dial. Secret Service thought it was funny as hell but the supervisor was livid. No ding.

First flight of post-Soviet crumble into the US was earthquake relief to get special cement-block factories that were premanufactured into one unit that could (barely) fit in the back of a super-heavy Antonov (at the time the largest aircraft in the world) flown by the Russians: big fatality numbers in one of the 'Stans. The security was incredible, with fighter escorts and tracking, all sorts of military alert levels involved. As the airplane lifted with the first aid package (possibly setting the contemporary record for heaviest airborne object ever), I said, "Dosvedanya, Comrade: Contact Departure." Ding.

At least once it cost me more than discipline. I had a spectacular save by ATC standards, stopping a mechanic who was repositioning a large aircraft in the dark, unfamiliar with the layout and the meaning of the lights all around him, from powering further onto a runway where a full air carrier was just touching down; the pilot was in the flare and couldn't see the ground, the mechanic didn't see him or know it was a runway, and I yelled "(aircraft callsign) stopstopstop" just in time; they missed by 10 feet and .8 seconds by the tapes. They gave me a quick on-the-spot award for $75, because it deserved some recognition, but told me they would have put it in for national save of the year AKA Outstanding Flight Assist if they could've. However, the tape must be clean from 5 minutes prior to first contact with any aircraft involved in the incident. 4 minutes and 35 seconds prior, a pilot had read back a clearance including 4 digit transponder code, which was "4224". I said, "readback correct except you're dyslexic; transponder code 4224". Oops. Ding. Right in the pocketbook that time; those awards can be in the tens of thousands and are a BIG deal on your career path.

Yes, I was a smart-ass. Those are just a few of the more memorable ones. And who did it hurt (besides me the one time)? My problem is with the people who sweat the small stuff, who take things and themselves so seriously they cause a problem for someone else over it, just because they can. I loved my job; I shared my enjoyment of it with the people around me and made it more fun for them as well. No real regrets about it, but I hate to see the world going more PC by the year.
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