charliepatrick
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gordonm888
April 5th, 2021 at 5:46:52 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I know the game is an absolute rip-off - I am just intellectually interested in game strategy theory.

I wonder what the strategy is vs Ace -given that Dealer does not peek and will hit soft and hard hands until you are beat.

I imagine the only issue with player's soft hands is whether you hit soft 18 and maybe soft 19 vs Ace.

After some thought and a different spreadsheet (21-12 Hard, 11-2 Soft). I think the reason hitting 16 vs high cards is still correct is if you stand on 16 and the dealer also gets 16, the Dealer will stand rather than drawing again. Thus one shouldn't just assume that standing on 16 will win when the dealer busts (possibly I might have not factored that in last time.)

This also is why you hit 15 against a 6 and 14 against a 5. I suspect you hit the other 14s as otherwise it makes it too easy for the Dealer to make a winning point.

The soft totals are probably in line with standard Blackjack as, with soft 18, the dealer won't often beat you by hitting 17 to make a difference.

This table assumes the dealer will hit tied situations where it's in their best interest, for instance they will hit soft 18 vs your 18 but not soft 19. They also would have hit 14, but you always hit it now.
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charliepatrick
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April 6th, 2021 at 2:12:14 AM permalink
Just to confirm, after an overnight run, the House Edge is still about the same 11.68%
Overall Result: Exp: -0.11676961659918852 Hands: 4783824408 Win: 1603713092 Lose: 2389281900 Tie: 563865950 CHY: 0 BJk: 226963466
Also note that the Dealer hitting soft 18 when the Player stands on 18 agrees with the opposite strategy at https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/both-dealer-cards-exposed/ .

Wizard : Do you know whether Players tied or lost pushes in Double Exposure - I only saw it in Atlantic City many years ago so might be wrong with the rules. Thanks
Last edited by: charliepatrick on Apr 6, 2021
smoothgrh
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April 6th, 2021 at 1:25:59 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

What game is this? (The video game that the blackjack minigame is in).



Yes, as a vintage game collector, I'd like to know too!

I say that one day I'll record the reel strips for the Atari 2600 slot machine cartridge, but that's super low priority.
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April 6th, 2021 at 1:49:08 PM permalink
Lunar: The Silver Star for Sega CD.

It's just a little minigame like halfway through the game, and it literally takes place in a den of thieves.

Anyway, this is great. Thank you.
etony33
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April 7th, 2021 at 7:37:42 AM permalink
So, I was just playing it a bit more to make sure I had all the rules right.

I was wrong about one thing: if there is a tie at ANY point, even if the dealer has a soft hand or even if you both have 5, it's a push.
smoothgrh
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April 7th, 2021 at 9:11:53 AM permalink
Quote: etony33

Lunar: The Silver Star for Sega CD.

It's just a little minigame like halfway through the game, and it literally takes place in a den of thieves.

Anyway, this is great. Thank you.



Looks as if there are emulators for the game, but I can't get them to run easily. RIP Adobe Flash.
charliepatrick
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April 7th, 2021 at 11:52:55 AM permalink
Quote: etony33

...if there is a tie at ANY point, even if the dealer has a soft hand or even if you both have 5, it's a push.

I'm assuming the dealer will look at their second card, otherwise you might stand on totals which were the same as their upcard.

Including the above rule my simulation got 11.163%. I'm guessing this means the dealer stuck on soft totals when you had 15s or 16s as for the hard totals (15+) it was correct for the dealer to stand.
etony33
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April 7th, 2021 at 8:57:26 PM permalink
Yes, I meant after the dealer's upcard comes into play.

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