gordonm888
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August 18th, 2017 at 2:18:39 PM permalink
I was so glad to read this thread and learn of the preliminary outcome of this case. Every year, over a thousand people are illegally imprisioned by casino security staff and illegally/improperly detained by law enforcement officers. This is a not a minor issue - it is a significant injustice and it needs to stop. Hopefully this is a significant step forward.

Quote: billryan

IN NYC and on Long Island, cops are allowed to work as security while off duty in most places, but can't work in the Precinct that they are assigned to, just to avoid such situations. How can anybody expect the cops to side with a citizen against the people who sign their paychecks. Allowing the local cops to moonlight there is just asking for trouble. At least some of the blame goes to the cops superiors who allowed such a thing to happen.



This is the situation in many states. Policemen are usually allowed to work during off-duty hours as security or traffic control and are allowed to use their police cars, uniforms, weapons etc while doing so. This helps to compensate them for not being paid higher salaries. But you are exactly correct -it skews the way that they do their job -both on-duty as well as during off-duty jobs - because they have an interest in ingratiating themselves with the organizations that do hire off-duty cops. It stinks.

But complaining about this publicly (letters to the newspaper, etc) can be perilous. The 'brotherhood of policemen' have all sorts of ways of retaliating.
JohnnyQ
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August 18th, 2017 at 2:22:36 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Allowing the local cops to moonlight there is just asking for trouble. At least some of the blame goes to the cops superiors who allowed such a thing to happen.

I am 1000 % fine with having police working security, it makes me feel safer.

I am NOT ok with police officers telling lies to citizens.
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billryan
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August 18th, 2017 at 2:43:46 PM permalink
Having police work security is fine. Having those same cops respond to calls at the place they work security is an invitation to trouble.

Cop responds to a call. The guy who schedules his off duty work says I want this guy arrested, what does the cop do?
Maryland has lots of cops. Simply have cops from other areas work security.
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gamerfreak
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August 18th, 2017 at 3:17:44 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I was so glad to read this thread and learn of the preliminary outcome of this case. Every year, over a thousand people are illegally imprisioned by casino security staff and illegally/improperly detained by law enforcement officers. This is a not a minor issue - it is a significant injustice and it needs to stop. Hopefully this is a significant step forward.


I will update in September. The media is not reporting on it, so when I couldn't find an article to link I wrote this up.
gordonm888
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August 18th, 2017 at 3:19:02 PM permalink
To me, the main bad guys in all this are not the cops, they are the thugs who work as private security for the casinos. Big tough guys who like to intimidate and bully people and who are hired by the casinos to do exactly that and who have no concept of "proportional force" and "constitutional rights." They and the casino executives who hire and direct them are unindicted serial felons.

Casinos originated as part of a criminal enterprise and they have never outgrown that.
billryan
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August 19th, 2017 at 1:58:18 AM permalink
Funny, the cops are the ones that lied to him and threatened him with what would be an illegal arrest. They are the ones who took an oath to uphold the law and peoples constitutional rights, not the $12 an hour security guys.
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August 19th, 2017 at 7:40:09 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Funny, the cops are the ones that lied to him and threatened him with what would be an illegal arrest. They are the ones who took an oath to uphold the law and peoples constitutional rights, not the $12 an hour security guys.



Most people think card counting is illegal so it wouldn't surprise me if the cops didn't know that it wasn't illegal.
gamerfreak
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August 19th, 2017 at 7:52:59 AM permalink
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Most people think card counting is illegal so it wouldn't surprise me if the cops didn't know that it wasn't illegal.


If they thought it was illegal, why didn't they arrest or cite him, or even write a police report on the incident?
Ibeatyouraces
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August 19th, 2017 at 8:18:35 AM permalink
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If they thought it was illegal, why didn't they arrest or cite him, or even write a police report on the incident?


THIS!!

They know damn well is not illegal and is just a form of witness intimidation.
gordonm888
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August 19th, 2017 at 8:49:13 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

If they thought it was illegal, why didn't they arrest or cite him, or even write a police report on the incident?



Okay, I guess I am persuaded that the cops deserve a significant level of blame. I hope the judge in this case throws the book at them.

But it is the casino industry that perpetuates this culture of "backrooming" - false imprisonment and intimidation, and sometimes physically rough handling -even injuring the patron if they try to resist or lawfully walk out of the casino. I hope the responsible casino executive and the $12/hr security guys are penalized by the court. They deserve to be removed from society for some period of time.

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