D Day in Vegas

Quote: boymimbo

Yeah, I think anyone with a University degree is wasting their life attempting to count cards in Vegas unless it is absolutely pleasurable -- I just see that kind of life as a slog, in my opinion. I understand that there are many on this forum who enjoy the lifestyle and have made plays that make their life better than full-time work. But I think most of the people who are APing either fell into it or decided that a conventional job doesn't fit their lifestyles. ZK didn't even give it a chance.

I would venture to say that it is not easy to have a typical life with marriage, kids, etc and carry an AP lifestyle. You would have to have a key partner who understands the swings and a schedule that supports your children.

Maybe he could work a double or nothing deal with his employer on payday over a coin flip. EV is still 1 but there would be more variance. Most people don't like variance in their paycheck, but hey... Who am I to judge.

Idea... Let's start a new thread titled "ZK Blind Date" and we can see if we can find him a girlfriend. I wonder if Babs is single?

That's assuming the AP doesn't have a well paying gig to begin with.Many of the early APs I know of had government jobs. Steady hours, steady pay and benefits. One author had a fulltime financial advisor business, and another was a full Professor at Stony Brook.

Quote: prozema

Maybe he could work a double or nothing deal with his employer on payday over a coin flip. EV is still 1 but there would be more variance. Most people don't like variance in their paycheck, but hey... Who am I to judge.

Idea... Let's start a new thread titled "ZK Blind Date" and we can see if we can find him a girlfriend. I wonder if Babs is single?

I am single, and planning to stay that way. Thanks for the thought, though, Uncle Proz. Lol...

As to the other comments: if HB hadn't advertised here for dates in the past, your previous post might be questionable if seen in a certain light (mocking). But I don't think there's a problem atm.

Quote: beachbumbabs

As to the other comments: if HB hadn't advertised here for dates in the past, your previous post might be questionable if seen in a certain light (mocking). But I don't think there's a problem atm.

Thanks for the feedback. I sent you a PM on the topic.

Quote: boymimbo

Yeah, I think anyone with a University degree is wasting their life attempting to count cards in Vegas .

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Different discussion entirely but you are severely severely overstating the value of a university education IMO. I'm not so sure our universities are even a net benefit anymore.

OP seems to be just too lazy and definitely does not have the right demeanor for full time AP. He is playing a part time schedule and claiming to try to play full time, dude took a month off shortly after starting with a still questionable bankroll size (it is enough but he really just needs to put in a lot of hours till it gets to 100 or expenses will grind him down.)

I actually returned to some blackjack this past weekend on a trip while we were doing other things. My teammate and I stumbled upon a beatable side bet with a $50 max instead of the regular $25 max. Being that we had some time to kill we decided to play for 1 hour (3 shoes) with a fast dealer and not many other players at the table. PEN was okay, game was great...

In 1 hour, 3 shoes, we dropped $4k with a max bet of $250... (kept it smaller so that we would get less heat, spread to more hands during good side bet times, etc, etc). This was one of the bigger losses we've taken in BJ - especially given our not huge max bet. First shoe skyrocketed, 2nd was negative with a little good action, and 3rd was pretty good again. After doing some quick calculator math in the car, we found we were almost 2SD down (about 90th percentile down, instead of 95). So basically, we ran about as bad as we could have on the game.

Instead of crying bloody murder and cheaters, since the math even fully supported our terrible results, we laughed and just figured that seems to be about our luck when we play BJ anymore... Oh well, on to the next game.

We ended up having the worst 5 figure losing trip we've ever had this past weekend... Sure it doesn't feel good, but sh*t happens. All of what we do the math says is correct. You keep complaining cheating, but you don't give your AverageBet, NumberOfHands, etc, etc, etc. Don't share them even, because who knows if you modify them... but you yourself should be able to EASILY figure a session or two's EV, CE, and check the SD's. It's really not that hard to do on your phone, let alone a simulation with the proper software. I'm quite willing to bet that each and every single time you're definitely within 2SD's, let alone 3. If you weren't, then I'm sure you'd decide to use that math to PROVE a cheating game, instead of just complaining cheat every time.

You really need to learn to take a loss, or 2, or 10 ZK. Counting is a monotonous concept that doesn't take much to do correctly, so whether you win or lose, it's because of variance, not because of you, or the "pre-ordered" cards.

With Chinese prison decks, rigged shuffle machines, casino heat, ploppies messing up the flow or taking the dealers bust cards and people ratting you out. How can one make it counting cards?

Quote: AxelWolf

With Chinese prison decks, rigged shuffle machines, casino heat, ploppies messing up the flow or taking the dealers bust cards and people ratting you out. How can one make it counting cards?

[sarcasm]You just gotta be that damn good I guess![/sarcasm]

I think it all comes down to getting the proper rest.


ZCore13

Rest and hydration. Also, keeping our precious bodily fluids clean of fluoride and preversions..

Conserve the jade fluid.

-5100

Gonna just jump off a bridge. Ive had it. I really have. Not one good thing ever happens in my life and to get here and to suddenly start losing for months on end, its just the same old story. No matter how much I work into something, i just get he short end of the stick.

Bachelors degree was useless, not one decent job ever called back since I graduated. Couldnt win at blackjack. Couldnt win at fifa, couldnt even get girls. I couldnt do shit. Even tore my knee apart and had 3 knee surgeries and couldn't play college soccer. My whole life has been a failure. Fuck this bankroll, fuk my car and fuck this life. Good riddance

First smart step in the right direction


You clearly are not cut out for ap

Seems crazy you can’t make money in Vegas
You are doing something wrong

Quote: ZenKinG

-5100

Gonna just jump off a bridge. Ive had it. I really have. Not one good thing ever happens in my life and to get here and to suddenly start losing for months on end, its just the same old story. No matter how much I work into something, i just get he short end of the stick.

Bachelors degree was useless, not one decent job ever called back since I graduated. Couldnt win at blackjack. Couldnt win at fifa, couldnt even get girls. I couldnt do shit. Even tore my knee apart and had 3 knee surgeries and couldn't play college soccer. My whole life has been a failure. Fuck this bankroll, fuk my car and fuck this life. Good riddance

Typical millennial BS. Don't expect Las Vegas to give you a pat on the back when slinking back to moms basement.

Quote: ZenKinG

-5100

Gonna just jump off a bridge. Ive had it. I really have. Not one good thing ever happens in my life and to get here and to suddenly start losing for months on end, its just the same old story. No matter how much I work into something, i just get he short end of the stick.

Bachelors degree was useless, not one decent job ever called back since I graduated. Couldnt win at blackjack. Couldnt win at fifa, couldnt even get girls. I couldnt do shit. Even tore my knee apart and had 3 knee surgeries and couldn't play college soccer. My whole life has been a failure. Fuck this bankroll, fuk my car and fuck this life. Good riddance

Dealers at the casino I work at make $80k - $120k. Some with just a GED. Work for 90 minutes, get a 30 minute break. Everyone seems pretty happy. You might want to reconsider your life choices.

ZCore13

Quote: ZenKinG

-5100

Gonna just jump off a bridge. Ive had it. I really have.

Hi ZK, Sorry to hear that things have gone a bit off track. Don't despair though, you still have your youth and have added to it an adventure that you can use as a conversation points for years.
So is that -5100 for the whole Vegas adventure, or just your last session or last shoe? Does it only include gambling losses or include some expenses?
If it makes you feel better, I'm £14K down over the last couple of years.

I did it for fun: You did it for profit. I know I got what I wanted and expected: Did you not?
Take a chuckle at the path of my lifetime bankroll.
Are your records this good? I'm sure your 'graph' would be of interest here, especially to those who supported you and watched over your adventure through your posts.

Quote: ZenKinG

-5100

Gonna just jump off a bridge. Ive had it. I really have. Not one good thing ever happens in my life and to get here and to suddenly start losing for months on end, its just the same old story. No matter how much I work into something, i just get he short end of the stick.

Bachelors degree was useless, not one decent job ever called back since I graduated. Couldnt win at blackjack. Couldnt win at fifa, couldnt even get girls. I couldnt do shit. Even tore my knee apart and had 3 knee surgeries and couldn't play college soccer. My whole life has been a failure. Fuck this bankroll, fuk my car and fuck this life. Good riddance

First you made us believe you bought your car outright. 6 months later we find out now your papa paid for half. That seems like a good thing. Next, you didn't want to go to college but your parents insisted and paid for the whole thing and you played along and finished. After this you had a couple of jobs that are not up to your standard and quit. So your in America and your a tall white kid who has a family, house, free college education, some sort of newer sports car that you only had to break off half of the price...

SO FAR... this sounds to me like many things have gone good in your life!! It would appear to just about anyone that you have the odds in your favor to live a comfortable life or at least a life that is comfortable to the standard of the world.

For some strange reason you think the Casino is supposed to play fair or be transparent. You and others think that gambling is an honest trade which it is not no matter what you have read or heard or read on this site. You probably think like many members here that credit hustling is a dishonest thing to do and that the people who do it are scum. You might even think that guy out there rumbling around in the garbage for cans and asking for money is beneath you which once again IMO he is not.

I suppose I could go on and on about how phony you are but that is ok we are all pretty much a bunch of phonies in the long run. Instead I will share with you my year so far and especially my day yesterday which was very silly and heck I know it was wrong but I did it anyway.

Let me go back to September 2015. I don't think your having a nervous breakdown but I suppose that is what I was going through at that time. I had that breakdown till about February 2016. I won't bore you with the ups and downs before the breakdown but I started Aping again around Feb/March 2016. Since that time I consistently have been going up with many downswings. I spent money on expenses, massages, vacations, fun, gifts and whatever else I didn't keep track of. I would estimate I spent about 30k since that time on such trivial matters. What I do keep track of is my rolling bankroll that is mostly cash that doesn't include the money I have hidden in a few rat holes which is about 15k now. So let's forget about that 15k because it doesn't count to me until I retrieve it.

Now on 11/19/2017 I have exactly $98,826 in cash in my hand. I just came home from my session and it is close to the 10 am football games. Every week I just keep betting against the Browns and things have gone pretty well. I have also bet against the Coyotes and Sabres so far to boot. Things have gone good but recently the Sabres cost me some good tickets but that is how it goes. So I take 8826 with me over to Sams Town and bet 1320 on the Jags -7. Before I left I told myself only take what you want to bet on this game because you might fall into playing something else. Did I listen to myself? No... heck no... I'm a Degenerate Hustler who thinks he can AP and never lose. So I go bet my NFL ticket. I hate how I bet this amount and have to beg for drink tickets? Why do they never offer them up? SOB sportsbook used to love players now they treat them like some people treat credit hustlers. So I get about 5 drink tickets and as usual find somebody who will put them to good use and hand them over.

I can't stand it and start playing something that I like to play over there and get up 150 so that covers my juice if you want to look at it like that which I do not and I continue to play. I lose all the hundos in my pocket and crawl home thinking I will probably win this ticket but end up losing anyway which is funny to me. That is what happens and later that night I head back out to pick up some free play and I know of a few good progressives that need to be taken down. Needless to say they don't get taken down and I lose interest along with 1100 dollars as well. So I go play something else and get 1136 dollars back so I am ahead now. I go pick up some other FP and hit a 1500 dollar jackpot. I head over to Sams Town and collect the sports ticket so now I have $93,824 to my name. I have $23,824 on me in my pocket. I head right back to the game that crushed me and I lose around 5k. I go to another Casino and end up winning 3k. Do I stop??? Heck No!! This is what I do lol! So I jump on this game I have been messing with. I have some interesting swings. I end up getting the 5k back plus a little bit. Do I stop... Nope, gonna play tomorrow anyway... F em! Don't worry I end up going home with $10,745 out of the $23,824. So let's see I have $80,745 now as a slush fund or rolling bankroll.

My point is that this is how this lifestyle goes. You want to Hustle or AP it isn't all Unicorns and Rainbows like you think it is!? Your problem is that you don't know what you want and you most likely don't even want to play BJ or Hustle for a living and I just think you might be starting to figure that out... maybe. I have heard the "jump off the bridge" statement for 30 years from all the APs, Gamblers, Degenerates, Credit Hustlers, Pan Handlers, Stock Brokers, Cashiers, Dealers, and everyone in between.

Don't worry, you'll be right in action with the rest of us before you know it whining, bitching and complaining like usual. That is just who you are.

Harsh time zenking, take a break. 80% of the world population is a failure, you don’t see them tossing in the towel, mind you , that creates a bit of space if they did . Do what we all do , get over it and move on. Life is very short don’t make it shorter for yourself as we are in the ground forever when we die.
Believe it or not ( I don’t give a rats azzzz if you do or don’t) it can be quite liberating when you conduct yourself in an open and honest way, if not to anyone but only yourself.
Someone will always accuse you of something in life, usually unfounded or with justification, but start with honesty to SELF first and you actually find that you will develop the intestinal fortitude to navigate the speed bumps in life. All this ...will be A——- ha ha no problem.!!!!
Kind regards as per usual.

Quote: Zcore13

Dealers at the casino I work at make $80k - $120k. .....Work for 90 minutes, get a 30 minute break. Everyone seems pretty happy. You might want to reconsider your life choices.

Holy cow, I think I'M going to reconsider my life choices....!!

Quote: TigerWu

Holy cow, I think I'M going to reconsider my life choices....!!

It does not matter how much most dealers make or do not make. Most of them are going to go broke gambling and partying by months end. Even the dealers I know who claim they never gamble and only work, eat, sleep hardly have anything and aren't very far ahead in the monetary game. All the dealers I know in the old days and even the ones I see these days are still asking to borrow money. Of course one could say this is true about most Americans or people in the world. For some reason everyone these days live well above their means. I read a report the other day that said workers in America making over 100k per year have no savings and are constantly in debt. I don't understand it actually. When I was 18 I did it wrong I went out and ruined my credit because it was free money. I am mostly all liquid now over 100k in total assets (not in my name of course). I should of waited till I had a high 700 or low 800 credit rating and that is when I should of ruined my credit. The good news is that the people I use for rat holes have 790 and 815 credit ratings. No reason to ruin their credit since it makes things easier and the 2 to 10 percent kickbacks are nice. Something interesting to think about here is that even though I ruined my credit a few times in the last 24 years I have still managed to piggy back off of others and now my credit rating is close to 700 and going up. I do like the system the way it is set up :)

Most dealers make less than 50 and very difficult to get full time work. That's possible at wynn or places you keep your own tokes but it's like pointing out that some card counters make 300k a year. Or some new game actually makes it in a casino. It's possible not likely. I tend to think you never get there in any of them if the mostly only reason you are doing it is for money. Plus jobs, and any imaginary happiness you think money beyond 70k a year provides (in most areas of us, obvious outlier there) are way way way overrated.

The possibility of it shows how out of control the tipping culture in US is though. Jobs that have little real skill or provide value can pay 3x what an educator makes. Lots of people who have skills and maybe passion where they would be much more productive doing low skilled, low value, high tipping jobs because of the money.

Quote: mcallister3200

The possibility of it shows how out of control the tipping culture in US is though. Jobs that have little real skill or provide value can pay 3x what an educator makes. Lots of people who have skills and maybe passion where they would be much more productive doing low skilled, low value, high tipping jobs because of the money.

Here we go again with the tipping issue. I just don't understand why people who do not want to tip just don't do things for themselves. Go out and buy your own food and go home and cook and prepare it yourself. The best part is the people who work for tips complaining about tipping other people. I know someone who works in the food industry and makes decent tips and gets upset when I tip too much or tip for bad service. I always laugh and say... how do you think you have what you have and make what you make?? It is from tips knucklehead. Now don't worry about this money here... we will make more and if we can't make more we will steal it and if we can't steal it we will borrow it and if we can't do that we are probably dead. Money isn't a real commodity... and even if it is, the real commodity is TIME and we are pretty much all out of that in one way or another as the darkness continues to creep in closer and closer.

Quote: mcallister3200

The possibility of it shows how out of control the tipping culture in US is though. Jobs that have little real skill or provide value can pay 3x what an educator makes. Lots of people who have skills and maybe passion where they would be much more productive doing low skilled, low value, high tipping jobs because of the money.

There is a ton to unwrap there, nice post!

I suppose the first thing that I would suggest is that it, perhaps, lends to the conclusion that teachers are underpaid rather than that dealers are overpaid. Dealers are largely compensated (i.e. tips) based upon chance (what kind of gamblers are at the tables) as well as their subjective value to the customer. For example, you could take a customer who is faced with a sullen male dealer and that same customer might be a better tipper when faced with an attractive and lively female dealer. From the standpoint of the customer, for varying reasons, one dealer may have more value over the other.

So, I don't always know that the, "Tipping culture," is a bad thing. It seems that the culture often yields the result of individuals being compensated in accordance with the perceived value of the customer. We also understand that, inherently, the dealers at the more major casinos (unless they got the job as a favor) are generally regarded as some of the better professionals in that job from a more objective standpoint. That's not to say that it is wholly objective because it is still a subjective perception of objective attributes, but we can assume they're pretty good. With that, they are put into a position that the subjective value of the customer experience enables them to be compensated a greater monetary amount by virtue of the fact that the average customer has more money.

As far as high-skill, high-passion goes, one could reasonably argue that if the passion were at peak levels, then perhaps they would not be as concerned with the money. Granted, from an output standpoint, the state of affairs as is does not result in the greatest theoretical net output, but to do so would necessarily involve a more centralized controlling of the state of affairs. i.e. U.S.S.R. style.

Quote: pingpangpong

Here we go again with the tipping issue. I just don't understand why people who do not want to tip just don't do things for themselves. Go out and buy your own food and go home and cook and prepare it yourself. The best part is the people who work for tips complaining about tipping other people. I know someone who works in the food industry and makes decent tips and gets upset when I tip too much or tip for bad service. I always laugh and say... how do you think you have what you have and make what you make?? It is from tips knucklehead. Now don't worry about this money here... we will make more and if we can't make more we will steal it and if we can't steal it we will borrow it and if we can't do that we are probably dead. Money isn't a real commodity... and even if it is, the real commodity is TIME and we are pretty much all out of that in one way or another as the darkness continues to creep in closer and closer.

I do tip. And I am not a bad tipper, 20%+ if service and food acceptable, dealers when I play longer sessions, slot attendants. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I would rather pay 20% more than have to constantly hear wait staff talking about their tips, dealers only talking about tips and breaks. Agree about the time, and given your comment about person working for tips complaining about it our perspectives probably not as drastically far apart as it seems.

Quote: Mission146

As far as high-skill, high-passion goes, one could reasonably argue that if the passion were at peak levels, then perhaps they would not be as concerned with the money. Granted, from an output standpoint, the state of affairs as is does not result in the greatest theoretical net output, but to do so would necessarily involve a more centralized controlling of the state of affairs. i.e. U.S.S.R. style.

Absolutely +1000. Money beyond most basic needs and a select few things you enjoy does not make people happy. Sometimes it just follows anyway. I'm more emphasizing the high passion, by all means if you're talented in a field you hate you shouldn't put your happiness second (aren't we about life, liberty, pursuit of happiness?)

From the output stand point, I really don't know what to think. I think there is so much wasteful useless consumption in the US of buying crap we don't need, might not even want to impress people we might not even like....one side of me thinks if people would just stop that crap, since the industrial revolution it's possible for a very low employment rate like 70% to be sustainable without turning into a third world dump. On the other hand we've built an economy almost entirely based around people continuing to buy more crap they don't need that doesn't make them happy to impress people they don't even care for so would inevitably mean an entire economic collapse.

Quote: ZenKinG

-5100Gonna just jump off a bridge.

reality, not B.S.

Quote: mcallister3200

Absolutely +1000. Money beyond most basic needs and a select few things you enjoy does not make people happy. Sometimes it just follows anyway. I'm more emphasizing the high passion, by all means if you're talented in a field you hate you shouldn't put your happiness second (aren't we about life, liberty, pursuit of happiness?)

It depends on the subjective value that the money has vs. the subjective passion that the individual has. It's nothing more than a cost benefit analysis, in that regard. Does the person sacrifice passion in an effort to make more money, or the other way around?

The pursuit of happiness just refers to the right to seek out happiness, it doesn't mean that the person will be looking in the right places or will ever find it. Maybe a 65 year-old forty-year dealing vet retires wishing he/she had become a teacher, doesn't mean he/she wasn't pursuing what he/she believed would make him/her most happy. I should really just start picking one pronoun and switch it up from time to time. I think that would make everyone who reads what I write happy.

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From the output stand point, I really don't know what to think. I think there is so much wasteful useless consumption in the US of buying crap we don't need, might not even want to impress people we might not even like....one side of me thinks if people would just stop that crap, since the industrial revolution it's possible for a very low employment rate like 70% to be sustainable without turning into a third world dump. On the other hand we've built an economy almost entirely based around people continuing to buy more crap they don't need that doesn't make them happy to impress people they don't even care for so would inevitably mean an entire economic collapse.

Yeah, we've become too much of a tertiary economy for that to work. I mean, you can gradually go back to being secondary, but it would require a conscious effort at almost all levels, most especially Governmental. It could only work in a controlled way. The thing about a tertiary economy is that it is self-propagating, and as such, it relies on itself in order to continue. Which is to say that if spending habits change overnight, then it collapses in on itself and risks catastrophic failure. That nearly happened ten years ago and it wasn't even because all the people didn't want to spend, they largely didn't have the money to spend because they had no readily available means of access to it. Some of them didn't want to spend, of course, until things returned to stability.

Quote: ZenKinG

-5100

Gonna just jump off a bridge. Ive had it. I really have. Not one good thing ever happens in my life and to get here and to suddenly start losing for months on end, its just the same old story. No matter how much I work into something, i just get he short end of the stick.

Bachelors degree was useless, not one decent job ever called back since I graduated. Couldnt win at blackjack. Couldnt win at fifa, couldnt even get girls. I couldnt do shit. Even tore my knee apart and had 3 knee surgeries and couldn't play college soccer. My whole life has been a failure. Fuck this bankroll, fuk my car and fuck this life. Good riddance

I certainly hope this is just some late night venting and the good riddance comment is not how you really feel about life. If you are depressed or whatever and just want to talk you have my number. If you want to get some lunch, go shoot some pool, or do something fun just let me know.

Quote: pingpangpong

You sound kinda familiar.

Does anybody know Zenking personally and can confirm he was just running his mouth about suicide?

Quote: TigerWu

Does anybody know Zenking personally and can confirm he was just running his mouth about suicide?

Fwiw, I've been in PMs with him the last 24 hrs or so. He seems ok.

Several people here have met him, some more than once. I'll let them speak for themselves.

Team (and I will call this forum that), despite alot of our differences.

Someone in Las Vegas needs to pull in ZK from his place and get him the help he needs. Frankly, BS or not, I was deeply disturbed to have read his comments and take his comments to take his own life as genuine.

At least a couple of us (maybe more) are trying to reach him. I'll post if I hear something, or he may come here directly.

Quote: AxelWolf

You sound kinda familiar.

This was my thought exactly when I was reading his posts this morning.

Quote: ZenKinG

-5100

Gonna just jump off a bridge. Ive had it. I really have. Not one good thing ever happens in my life and to get here and to suddenly start losing for months on end, its just the same old story. No matter how much I work into something, i just get he short end of the stick.

Bachelors degree was useless, not one decent job ever called back since I graduated. Couldnt win at blackjack. Couldnt win at fifa, couldnt even get girls. I couldnt do shit. Even tore my knee apart and had 3 knee surgeries and couldn't play college soccer. My whole life has been a failure. Fuck this bankroll, fuk my car and fuck this life. Good riddance

If you want to talk about, I'd be happy to listen. I think I could have sung a very similar tune when I was in my early to mid twenties. A year after I graduated from college I was doing data entry for $8 an hour and living in my parents house. My self esteem was so low I didn't dare even speak to any woman of child bearing age. However, things got better. You probably need to start with a new direction. I don't know you well enough to get specific but I live in Vegas if you want to chat.

Quote: AxelWolf

You sound kinda familiar.

Yeah. I know. I’m guilty. I understand that. I knew it was a crime, but I did it anyway. (I shrugged) ***t, why argue? I’m a ----ing criminal. Look at me.

Perhaps mine is the minority view, but I for one don't believe ZK is in fact planning to kill himself.

Rather, I view it as yet another ploy in his unending juvenile efforts for attention and validation.

Quote: MrV

Perhaps mine is the minority view, but I for one don't believe ZK is in fact planning to kill himself.

Rather, I view it as yet another ploy in his unending juvenile efforts for attention and validation.

...and you could be right. Then again, who would've thought Robin Williams would kill himself? It's worth a wellness check after a post like that.

Quote: MrV

Perhaps mine is the minority view, but I for one don't believe ZK is in fact planning to kill himself.

Rather, I view it as yet another ploy in his unending juvenile efforts for attention and validation.

I agree with you. If someone is going to really do it though you can't stop them.

Quote: beachbumbabs

...and you could be right. Then again, who would've thought Robin Williams would kill himself? It's worth a wellness check after a post like that.

The Robin Williams thing doesn't exactly count. He was suffering from Lewy Body Dementia.

I suppose that you could argue that LBD has no direct connection with suicide but I think that people think RW just up and had enough but it was pretty clear he was having mental problems for some time. I think it is well known that RW took a lot of drugs in his day and that can have serious repercussions later in life since drugs do in fact alter your chemistry.

I myself have thought about jumping off of that 900 foot bridge before but I think we all think about suicide in life from time to time.

This article states that Vegas is the #1 destination of choice for people to kill themselves in the U.S.

.casino.org/news/suicide-on-hoover-dam-bridge-shines-light-on-las-vegas-dirty-secret

and another article about the new bypass ...

.lasvegasnow.com/news/suicides-at-hoover-dam-bypass-bridge-raise-concern/75817121

It's just one of several mechanisms Mother Nature has put in place to cull the herd.

One of the concerns I have about the long term viability of civilization is that the more civilized we get, the less we let Natural Selection unfold.

In denying / prohibiting Natural Selection, we weaken the overall strength of the population.

It used to be that those who couldn't keep up got left on the wayside; now we give 'em SSI, coddle them, and throw them into therapy; this allows them to reproduce and their defects to be blithely passed on to the next generation.

I think and hope you're right. I've been amused/annoyed by ZK and his content over the last several months but it's getting old. I do think he is all about the attention. Reminds me of my niece, probably about the same age. You would look at her twitter and she makes statements all the time like "I don't want to here anymore", "I'm so alone in this life", "I have no friends, no life", etc. The next day she's blathering on about what show to watch on Netflix or some guy she just fell in love with. I truly think that social media is poisoning young minds of those susceptible. What they are bombarded with as reality is no such thing.

So either ZK has issues that really need to be addressed or is off the charts narcissistic or both. His posts are to such extremes and almost always tied to whether he's winning or losing at blackjack. The problem is if he's serious in his last post, he really, really needs help and I hope he gets it. If he's messing around, he's the boy who cried wolf and just messing with people. He has several times threatened how casinos how tough he was and that they would regret messing with him. After what happened with the shooting, not something to be saying lightly. Again, maybe just messing around but not good either way.

Hope things work out for him and he's okay.

The rest of the bankroll should allow for the purchase of the following;

https://exitinternational.net/docs/SarcoIxx.pdf

I wrote ZK a PM. He read it about 2 -3 hours ago, but hasn't replied. So I'm reporting contact since the 3am post, but guessing he doesn't want to talk. I'm good with that.

Sarco says they rely on liquid nitrogen to reduce the oxygen level, and that death comes after a few minutes.

Gotta wonder what those few minutes are like for the person in the machine?

That Liquid Nitrogen is damn cold stuff: I have to assume it's not all peaches and cream as they float toward the river Styx.

Assuming it is painless and quick, states such as Texas and Florida might look into the technoloty for executions.

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I wrote ZK a PM. He read it about 2 -3 hours ago, but hasn't replied. So I'm reporting contact since the 3am post, but guessing he doesn't want to talk. I'm good with that.

I'm tossing a flag on that play.

I request that no mods ever tell anyone that I have signed in, made contact with, checked or read any PM's. It's my business if I want everyone to think I might be dead and have people feel sorry for me.

It might be the only way you can get anyone to say anything nice about you.

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I'm tossing a flag on that play.

I request that no mods ever tell anyone that I have signed in, made contact with, checked or read any PM's. It's my business if I want everyone to think I might be dead and have people feel sorry for me.

It might be the only way you can get anyone to say anything nice about you.

It doesn't take a Mod to see that stuff. Everyone can see the last time you logged in and if you read a PM from them.

ZCore13

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It doesn't take a Mod to see that stuff. Everyone can see the last time you logged in and if you read a PM from them.

ZCore13

Thanks. You are correct. Perhaps everyone didn't know that, and I said here I would say if I saw him. I did. No PM contents. Nothing too specific. But he was on.

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It doesn't take a Mod to see that stuff. Everyone can see the last time you logged in and if you read a PM from them.

ZCore13

I know people can tell you have logged on within the last 24 hours, I didn't know it left a time stamp when you logged on(I also thought there was a way to turn that off). I get that someone could see that you had not logged on yet and then narrow the time down once you did log on. I'm not sure how it works if you remain logged on and just lurk.

I know BBB did it because people were concerned, so it's no big deal.

But, I can see how someone might get pissed if somome mentioned you opened their PM, especially if it's the staff telling others.