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Mission146
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December 19th, 2017 at 3:52:15 PM permalink
Quote: horse



It's all about preparation and having years worth of expenses covered while living a normal life to me. If you have to struggle then you shouldn't be gambling.



Yeah, that's easy. I'll just eat a five-bean burrito, sit down on the toilet and crap out, "Years worth of expenses."

The fact of the matter is that, if you find the right situation, there are a number of plays out there that are very low in risk and from which you can make a fairly steady amount of money on your average day.

If you had essentially unlimited time and probably about two grand, no other responsibilities, there are plays and places out there such that you never lose the two grand if you're being extremely conservative with what you're doing. Further, you can develop some kind of network and maybe get to the point where you work for another AP, if you choose.

There are many people out there who choose not to be beholden to traditional employment, mostly types that don't like being told what to do. Those are the types of guys you will sometimes see doing certain things because at least they succeed or fail on their own terms and essentially under their own control.

There may be people with some knowledge of gambling, even low bankroll guys, who despite all attempts can't find a job that results in the daily that they make from gambling.

You'll see that Mamat referred to, "Especially on expensive weekends," when it comes to crashing in the car. Did you think about that for a second? I think what he's saying is that there was no way for a player at his level, at the time, to get a comped and/or reasonably priced room during Super Bowl weekend, or things like that. I've seen what some of those casinos are asking for a room on SB weekend, and were I a millionaire, I wouldn't pay it. Principle alone.

As far as saving money on food goes, I really don't see what could be considered wrong with that under any set of circumstances. If someone can get a steak and eggs for $1.99 (at that time) does it really behoove the person to go somewhere else and pay $7.99 for the same exact end result?
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horse
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December 19th, 2017 at 4:01:52 PM permalink
It's pretty simple: just get something called a job beforehand so the money is in a savings acct. Then the person wouldn't have to live like a pauper.

What good is it going into the gambling world if it means having to scrape by? That's what I mean by preparation. It's up to the individual, but I choose to have a comfortable existence, especially if I'm doing something new.

I agree there's plays out there that with enough hard work can be exploited for the newbie. It just seems a little more reasonable to live decently and to have your expenses covered for a number of years just in case. Nothing is guaranteed, especially in gambling.
speedycrap
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December 19th, 2017 at 4:25:11 PM permalink
Everyone is different. If it is not illegal , you can do it. If it is not immoral, you can do it and sleep well. My choice might not be the same as yours.
Mission146
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December 19th, 2017 at 4:32:23 PM permalink
Quote: horse

It's pretty simple: just get something called a job beforehand so the money is in a savings acct. Then the person wouldn't have to live like a pauper.



That's my point, people get jobs, people lose jobs. Sometimes, the reason why they lost their job is not necessarily their fault.

I know of a few actual AP's (or guys who work for them) for whom this is the exact or a similar situation. I won't go into too much detail, but one older guy was a reasonably successful business owner for, I believe, two or more decades and the business went belly up and he put everything he could in trying to turn it around. That didn't end up happening. Either way, he works for a much higher level AP than he and gets along just fine. In his case, it's almost like having a traditional employer.

I know of no fewer than two other guys who lost their jobs and just used it to get by while they were looking for something else. One of the two guys would ultimately go on to find another job in his field, but knowing the AP took care of his (reduced) expenses until something came up. He didn't have a substantial amount of money when he lost that job, but he effectively never had to tap into what of it he did have.

Finding a job is often easier said than done, but despite what all of the, 'Sky is falling,' people say, it seems that the vulturing opportunities aren't drying up in casinos. They're changing, but not drying up completely. Hell, there are a few machines that are even less risk and better return than a few that they replaced. Not always, of course.

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What good is it going into the gambling world if it means having to scrape by? That's what I mean by preparation. It's up to the individual, but I choose to have a comfortable existence, especially if I'm doing something new.



The same good as it is anywhere else. Lots of people just scrape by. I don't think someone without access to better jobs would use, "What good is it working in a grocery store if it means having to scrape by," as a justification for being homeless and starving to death instead.

If you have a comfortable existence, then that's fantastic as there are many who are not so fortunate. I also agree that it would be ideal to have a few years of expenses backing you up before getting into any independent venture, but ideal and possible are often two different things. Especially when you look at ideal v. immediately possible.

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I agree there's plays out there that with enough hard work can be exploited for the newbie. It just seems a little more reasonable to live decently and to have your expenses covered for a number of years just in case. Nothing is guaranteed, especially in gambling.



I agree, again, that having such expenses covered is a good ideal and it should be aspired to. I don't think there are too many low-level AP's, who do only that, who don't aspire to moving up to bigger and better plays. It's really pretty similar to how a mail room clerk aspires to move up to manage the mail room, then get a job in a department, then become the head in that department...etc.

And, like you said, nothing is guaranteed. Some people just want to take the lack of a guarantee and either succeed or fail on their own terms. Further, some have a greater risk tolerance than others, and it stands to reason that AP's will be outside of the first standard deviation when it comes to the amount of risk that they are willing to tolerate.
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:03:48 PM permalink
I guess no one who is now very wealthy was ever homeless, broke, ate cheap, slept on friends floors or in their car.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
RS
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:25:07 PM permalink
In order to build a business, you have to start off cheap, if you don't have that much capital. A bunch of businesses's origins are "garage startup" types. How do you think Facebook, Apple, or a bunch of others started?

It makes sense for some and doesn't make sense for others. It depends on your life circumstances. If you're young, debt free, no wife/kids, and some money, then you're in decent shape to go the "garage startup / cheap" route, where if you fail, you can go find a job, build it back up, and try again if you want, like what McAllister said.

If you're older, wife and kids, have to pay off mortgages or whatever adults do, have debt, other responsibilities, etc. then going the previous route probably isn't the best idea for you, since you need a steady and guaranteed income.
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:26:34 PM permalink
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I guess no one who is now very wealthy was ever homeless, broke, ate cheap, slept on friends floors or in their car.



I doubt I qualify as very wealthy, but I am well off. I can confirm that I have had to sleep in my car before including one night in Las Vegas in the binions garage. I drove to Las Vegas because I had won a seat in whatever binions called the poker event they ran right after the wsop moved to the Rio.

To this day, I have kept a blanket I bought at a garage sale as a reminder of when I was less fortunate. I don't remember what I paid for that blanket... Probably 50 cents or a dollar... But when I bought the blanket, it was the only one I had and it kept me warm. I was so happy to have that blanket because the apartment I was in had a really flaky heater. I've actually had several repairs made to the dollar blanket over the years, not only because of the sentimental value, but because that blanket is more comfortable than anything else I can find at any price. And believe me, my wife loves buying expensive bedding.

Oh, and to this day... I love eating cheap.

I was kinda like ZK... i still am to a some degree. I fancied myself as a lone wolf... Didn't want any help from anyone... Wanted to do it all on my own. I even had to move back into mom's basement once for awhile. I can totally relate to what he's going through.

Even with all that said, I do think another source of income with less variance than blackjack would help him.
RS
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:37:43 PM permalink
IIRC he first thing I said was he should get a part time job when first moving to Vegas.
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December 19th, 2017 at 6:07:18 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Yeah, that's easy. I'll just eat a five-bean burrito, sit down on the toilet and crap out, "Years worth of expenses."

The fact of the matter is that, if you find the right situation, there are a number of plays out there that are very low in risk and from which you can make a fairly steady amount of money on your average day.

If you had essentially unlimited time and probably about two grand, no other responsibilities, there are plays and places out there such that you never lose the two grand if you're being extremely conservative with what you're doing. Further, you can develop some kind of network and maybe get to the point where you work for another AP, if you choose.

There are many people out there who choose not to be beholden to traditional employment, mostly types that don't like being told what to do. Those are the types of guys you will sometimes see doing certain things because at least they succeed or fail on their own terms and essentially under their own control.

There may be people with some knowledge of gambling, even low bankroll guys, who despite all attempts can't find a job that results in the daily that they make from gambling.

You'll see that Mamat referred to, "Especially on expensive weekends," when it comes to crashing in the car. Did you think about that for a second? I think what he's saying is that there was no way for a player at his level, at the time, to get a comped and/or reasonably priced room during Super Bowl weekend, or things like that. I've seen what some of those casinos are asking for a room on SB weekend, and were I a millionaire, I wouldn't pay it. Principle alone.

As far as saving money on food goes, I really don't see what could be considered wrong with that under any set of circumstances. If someone can get a steak and eggs for $1.99 (at that time) does it really behoove the person to go somewhere else and pay $7.99 for the same exact end result?




I'm a low roller and had a half dozen super bowl weekend offers.
In Zks case, the weeks before Christmas are slow as Hell.
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December 19th, 2017 at 6:10:16 PM permalink
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Putting a checkmark in the female box or getting a sex change doesn't count in my book.

I don't care what sex people are attracted to, I don't care what or who they choose to become. I can respect their right to do so. I would never dislike anyone for simply doing so or being different.

But, If you are born a female, you remain female in my book, and vice versa.

Sorry, Caitlyn Jenner, I still view you as a man.

Edit to add: I'm biased when it comes to bull dykes. Almost all my experiences being around them have been bad. I tend to avoid them if at all possible.


Ok for this poster Iím making an exception for the rules I give to myself as my personal guideline to keep me from my reverting to my nasty past, it is very easy to be a nasty person, I actually have all the boxes ticked that allows me to be bad . I have all the social disadvantages from a very hard part of town. That rule Iím going to bend is never explain to anyone anything about my past. Iím disappointed you and a few others here have decided to apply this bullying tactic. I am not a bull dike I learnt to fight and protect myself because in hard town that was the only way you made it through. I was steered into the direction of a martial art, it helps to focus and channel the extreme desire to really f##k people up. I was one of the very first female door person in Australia in the early eighties, I found putting men on there arse relatively easy. Yes at that time I did get tremendous satisfaction seeing some bloke pussy whipped the realisation on that face. Priceless. Yes women and bull dikes much harder to put on the ground, they scratch and claw at the eyes and face ,so one had to be super aggressive to get it over with in under 30 sec, a few of you will know what I mean.
I believe the reference you are referring to is in the pm I sent to you , from memory it was something like this , I donít mind going toe to toe . Threatening behaviour is not my style, I usually just do , I do now as Iím older exercise a rigid discipline. The body is no longer able to backup the agility needed in a street situation. Iím a little sad I missed the new cage fighting era , but then in some ways not , as Iím sure I may have used it as the penultimate excuse to kill someone, nasty me , and another rule surfaces never make excuses ever, cop it sweet or donít do the crime. Rhonda Rousse isnít a bull dike ( Iím only assuming)
Iím disappointed that someone genderized the criteria to post here, I didnít notice in the wov mission statement female, potential bull dike, transgender, or homosexual are not to post here. Must be in the small mind print at the bottom of the page perhaps.
I donít believe in heroís as no one saved me in hard town, Iím thankful I had help. I donít believe in martyrdom , nor do I believe I need to argue , so i wonít . Iím happy to say that if you need to believe you all are correct in everything you think, then you are .
I actually donít know why ,and to clarify this is not directly , solely aimed at you axel wolf , but at all that what Iím about to say resonates with.
Why donít you just cut to the chase on some of these post/threads and just say to various posters things like . Donít post here your a fool, or do some homework come back when you know what youíre talking about ,which incidentally is never . Or you donít fit the gender requirements donít post, your political opinion is not relevant donít post , your not me donít post .
That would work fine by me as if Iíd known this I would have saved time and maybe walked the dog a bit more at the beach. Oh and yes I do understand monkey is a slang in America for a part of a female body, snicker snicker little boys. There are many words and pictures you all use in you non de plumes that have other meanings, and quite frankly some of you should just stop fawning,read some of your own posts, grow a pair. No great loss . This is my last post. I will work out how to log out of my account here as Iíve had some problems there. Oh technically inept donít post here.
I will have a great Christmas and I wish you all do as well.
Kind regards.

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