OzzyOsbourne
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March 26th, 2017 at 8:26:17 PM permalink
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I'll never forget my first day of card counting. It was on a $3 table at the El Cortez in 2001. DD, handheld game. I kept using two hands until someone told me to keep one hand on my beer. Great advice. I played about ten hands at a semi-full table before the count called for me to raise. I cautiously went from $3 to $5 and won. Count was still good so I bravely let it ride for $10. Out of the corner of my eye I saw an older Asian woman start towards my table and I thought I was busted. As the day went on, I started spreading $5-$20 with an occasional drop down to $3. Played for about three hours and cashed in almost $50 more than I started with.
more importantly, I wasn't backroomed or anything.
I got easier. I just found I don't like playing high stakes. Betting $200 on a single hand is simply not fun for me. I am, and will continue to be the ultimate low roller.



Blackjack and gambling are funny things. I used to sweat betting 75 bucks when the count was high when I used to play 5-75 on a shoe. Now I have no problem betting 1000 bucks a hand if the count is good (and I have good cover :) ). It is still annoying to lose, but your post just made me think back to how devestated I would be after losing 5 or 600 in a session and now that would be considered a break-even session.

I wonder if Warren Buffet ever thought he would gain or lose a billion dollars in a day? I guess you can get used to anything.
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LostWages
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March 26th, 2017 at 9:01:59 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Keep in mind that there is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing a BS card to the table with you and consulting it as needed.

Hey, thanks for the reminder tip. In fact, OdiousGambit had previously suggested to me that I bring my BS card to use as a "counting" device by sliding my thumb along the numbers . . . (thanks, OG!). And since I've memorized the first 5 indices only for I18, I won't bring that card! Reallly appreciate the extra thoughts . . . !
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Romes
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March 27th, 2017 at 12:00:14 PM permalink
Wow you definitely are putting in the homework and study =). Nice informative post, especially the quizlet.

I believe Ken Smith (blackjackinfo.com) also sells basic strategy cards that have "squares" in the corners for the deviations so you can have a BS card at the table, AND it tells you when to play the indexes, and it's "hidden" if even a PB looked at it. Each of the spots the square could come up represents a different number (all explained on his site). I don't mind this at all for the normal beginner, but once enough practice has been laid down one should not need any cards at the table =D.
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LostWages
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March 27th, 2017 at 12:37:04 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Wow you definitely are putting in the homework and study =). Nice informative post, especially the quizlet.

I believe Ken Smith (blackjackinfo.com) also sells basic strategy cards that have "squares" in the corners for the deviations so you can have a BS card at the table, AND it tells you when to play the indexes, and it's "hidden" if even a PB looked at it. Each of the spots the square could come up represents a different number (all explained on his site). I don't mind this at all for the normal beginner, but once enough practice has been laid down one should not need any cards at the table =D.



Thanks for the continued encouragement. At this stage of my "training", I'll resist the temptation to look up Ken Smith's BS cards w/squares. If anything, I might try to superimpose some marks on my own BS card design, but not for this trip.

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TomG
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LostWages
March 28th, 2017 at 5:27:02 PM permalink
Always stand 16 against a 10

Always double 11 against an ace

Split 10s and stand on your 12s at the same count. (whatever number is higher based on the number of decks you're playing)

For the top seven of the top nine index plays you now have only four things to remember to change instead of 12.

Include when to take insurance and 15 against a 10 and you can set yourself with all the index plays you'll ever need. Or you can keep adding and improving on it.
LostWages
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March 28th, 2017 at 11:20:50 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

Always stand 16 against a 10

Always double 11 against an ace

Split 10s and stand on your 12s at the same count. (whatever number is higher based on the number of decks you're playing)

For the top seven of the top nine index plays you now have only four things to remember to change instead of 12.

Include when to take insurance and 15 against a 10 and you can set yourself with all the index plays you'll ever need. Or you can keep adding and improving on it.

My inexperience will show here, but I thought it was important to keep track of the TC when examining the indices for a decision?

More importantly, it appears my I18 "card" is missing the index for 16 v 10 and 16 v 9. Oops! Maybe not this trip?

Thanks for your suggestions, though!
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billryan
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March 29th, 2017 at 12:19:09 AM permalink
Some author I read said that pros could stick on 16vs10 at almost all counts because its such a close play but pitbosses know its wrong. He said it was cheap camo.
By the way, Scarne- the self professed know it all of all things gambling -recommended staying on tens at all times, as well.
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Wino
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March 30th, 2017 at 1:27:03 PM permalink
LostWages,

Don't worry about how slow or awkward it seems at first. It happens to everyone starting. I remember playing heads up on a Double deck game and after 3 rounds, I would always lose the count and the dealer would look at me like I was retarded and I would have to play out the rest of the shoe on basic strategy and wait until next shoe to give it another try. Then the soft 18 vs 10 would happen and I would have to hit like 3 times and know my hand-total as well as keeping the count and then again surely, I would lose the count and the dealer would look at me like WTF??? Sigh* 3-6 months later it felt more natural.
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LostWages
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March 30th, 2017 at 6:11:17 PM permalink
Quote: Wino

Don't worry about how slow or awkward it seems at first. It happens to everyone starting.

Based on your story, you KNOW how comforting and assuring it is to get your words of encouragement. This time, I think I have a better handle on Basic Strategy. I've been getting lots of encouragement from the WoV forum members the past 6 months since my first visit. So after practicing card-counting (counting down a single deck, playing different card-counting apps, lots of reading), I think I'm at least primed to try! After my first visit, though, I know memorizing plays is VERY different from recalling what to do under conditions of different noises, excitement, rowdy and maybe nice seat mates, grouchy-looking dealer's, etc. At any rate, 72 hours till I face the gauntlet. Conditions permitting, I'm hoping to try head-to-head with a dealer early in the morning.I never took the card-counting challenge, because this was

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LostWages
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March 30th, 2017 at 6:50:47 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Scarne- the self professed know it all of all things gambling -recommended staying on tens at all times, as well.

Don't know Scarne, so I will Google the name later. Right now it's 3 days to Las Vegas! WRT staying on 10s at all times, my novice math skills says it makes sense to split T-T against dealer's 5 when the TC is 5. At TC=+5, there will be more high cards to hit my split 10s so I might win more. If a T hit the dealer's 5, the dealer must draw again, and is more likely to bust than get a 6 for 21. Similar argument for splitting T-T against dealer's 6 .
Does "stick on 16vs10" mean "stand"?
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